I don't like teachers
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Not many, including Teachers
Well i don't know, but something has to or else the dreaded ofsted will get you.
lozzick said "LOL NO"
Have you done both jobs, do you know in detail what support roles have to do? Do you see what qualifications and training they have to do? Have you done none education teaching jobs and compared the paper work?
Have you stopped and thought what support staff have to learn.
lozzick said "Being a teacher is one of the hardest, most time consuming, stressfull jobs out there."
Is there any evidenced backing that up apart from some teachers who have never worked outside education saying they have it hard? The only people I have seen say its stressful are those who don't know better. Teaching does not come anywhere near the most time consuming or stressful jobs. The few lists I have seen dont have teachers near the top. Aircraft traffic controllers make teachers jobs look very none stressfull.
EDIT: Changed my mind a little it depends which school you're in and what location. An inner city school is much more stressful then a village school. A special needs school is not the same as a secondary mainstream e.c.t Working at special school with children dying on a regular basis. Now that's stressful.
Have you done both jobs, do you know in detail what support roles have to do? Do you see what qualifications and training they have to do? Have you done none education teaching jobs and compared the paper work?
Have you stopped and thought what support staff have to learn.
lozzick said "Being a teacher is one of the hardest, most time consuming, stressfull jobs out there."
Is there any evidenced backing that up apart from some teachers who have never worked outside education saying they have it hard? The only people I have seen say its stressful are those who don't know better. Teaching does not come anywhere near the most time consuming or stressful jobs. The few lists I have seen dont have teachers near the top. Aircraft traffic controllers make teachers jobs look very none stressfull.
EDIT: Changed my mind a little it depends which school you're in and what location. An inner city school is much more stressful then a village school. A special needs school is not the same as a secondary mainstream e.c.t Working at special school with children dying on a regular basis. Now that's stressful.
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The syllabus is constantly getting changed - my mum never uses the same lesson plan more than once, constantly improving it/making it better.
They are just normal people... although there are exceptions, as in every walk of life.
However the situation you met teachers in ( at school ? ) means they will be in a mode where they are used to talking to children all day. I'm sure if you saw them outside of school, then you wouldn't be able to notice what their occupation is just by the way they talk to you.
Also - a lot of work goes on behind the scenes, e.g lesson planning
However the situation you met teachers in ( at school ? ) means they will be in a mode where they are used to talking to children all day. I'm sure if you saw them outside of school, then you wouldn't be able to notice what their occupation is just by the way they talk to you.
Also - a lot of work goes on behind the scenes, e.g lesson planning
Not once have I seen one of my teachers sitting in the staff room on their breaks - 50% of the time they are filling in for other teachers, the other half is spent working.
I don't need to give any "evidence" other than like I say both of my parents are teachers so I know what its like from being there. 3 out of the 5 nights my mum works she stays back for meetings and other crazy stuff that drags the staff back (this is often till 7pm and she leaves the house in the morning at 8am). She's also spent atleast 2 weeks of the summer "holidays" in school working. Theres also ofsted to think about - the schools reputation is constantly on the line and being judged, and then every year reports have to be written for every child in the school.
Uh - did I say that? I don't ask my parents what percentage of their lessons stay the same each year - id probably get a slap if I did.
My mothers IS head teacher of a high school - its very different
My dad's a techer, and puts a ton of effort into it.
He has lots of tasks:
* His class to teach
* Cover for other teachers
* Attend internal meetings
* Attend external meetings / conferences
* Handle disputes
* Mark work / practice papers
* Prepare assemblies
* Plan lessons
* Explore new ways of teaching
* Explore new software and how to teach it
* Help set the maths and science curriculum for the school to follow
* ....etc....
...oh, and EVERYONE loves his teaching, no one gives a bad word, everyone thinks hes the best teacher in the school, I got taught by him and with his jokes, he really is a great teacher, I even got stopped at Asda by someone who was his student but vaguegly remembers me telling me he really is that good and they miss him!
He has lots of tasks:
* His class to teach
* Cover for other teachers
* Attend internal meetings
* Attend external meetings / conferences
* Handle disputes
* Mark work / practice papers
* Prepare assemblies
* Plan lessons
* Explore new ways of teaching
* Explore new software and how to teach it
* Help set the maths and science curriculum for the school to follow
* ....etc....
...oh, and EVERYONE loves his teaching, no one gives a bad word, everyone thinks hes the best teacher in the school, I got taught by him and with his jokes, he really is a great teacher, I even got stopped at Asda by someone who was his student but vaguegly remembers me telling me he really is that good and they miss him!
Lol what's that got to do with it? Are you saying my mothers a negative person because she says her jobs difficult? Seriously...
Anyway do you think he would be negative to you? What kind of image does that put out? The headteacher hates his job?
I've had good and bad teachers, the worst one I had gave me a lot of discrimination because he thought he could get away with it.
The best teacher I had provided me with a lot of motivation and strengthened my ethics, it is best to treat teachers on an individual basis rather than brand them all.
The best teacher I had provided me with a lot of motivation and strengthened my ethics, it is best to treat teachers on an individual basis rather than brand them all.
RoachycaL said "She's also spent atleast 2 weeks of the summer "holidays" in school working."
It appears schools are very different from each other. In my school 1 teacher came in for half a day to tidy up. Perhaps it's a case of some schools are stressful some are not.
RoachycaL said "I don't need to give any "evidence" other than like I say both of my parents are teachers so I know what its like from being there. 3 out of the 5 nights my mum works she stays back for meetings and other crazy stuff that drags the staff back"
That could just be because she is a bad teacher with bad planning, or in a bad school that's overworking her unfairly or just a very bad head. That or she is a workaholic and likes to work. (Not saying she is bad, I dont know her)
Teachers have a limited amount of meetings they can go to. I don't believe meetings are taking up all her time unless they are overworking her beyond fair amounts.
Perhaps she is in a stressful job but that doesn't mean Teachers have a higher workload or more stressful job then other jobs. Until I see real evidenced most teachers have highly stressful jobs I am not going believe it. Perhaps it's a case of some schools are stressful some are not. As far as I an see the odd stressful school is the exception not the rule and the stress is more to do with the staff then the job.
EDIT: Just noticed you said she is a headteacher, well that's much more stressful and a higher workload then any normal teaching job. It also explains 3 days out of 5 staying nights sort off. I still thought they couldny do that anymore.
It appears schools are very different from each other. In my school 1 teacher came in for half a day to tidy up. Perhaps it's a case of some schools are stressful some are not.
RoachycaL said "I don't need to give any "evidence" other than like I say both of my parents are teachers so I know what its like from being there. 3 out of the 5 nights my mum works she stays back for meetings and other crazy stuff that drags the staff back"
That could just be because she is a bad teacher with bad planning, or in a bad school that's overworking her unfairly or just a very bad head. That or she is a workaholic and likes to work. (Not saying she is bad, I dont know her)
Teachers have a limited amount of meetings they can go to. I don't believe meetings are taking up all her time unless they are overworking her beyond fair amounts.
Perhaps she is in a stressful job but that doesn't mean Teachers have a higher workload or more stressful job then other jobs. Until I see real evidenced most teachers have highly stressful jobs I am not going believe it. Perhaps it's a case of some schools are stressful some are not. As far as I an see the odd stressful school is the exception not the rule and the stress is more to do with the staff then the job.
EDIT: Just noticed you said she is a headteacher, well that's much more stressful and a higher workload then any normal teaching job. It also explains 3 days out of 5 staying nights sort off. I still thought they couldny do that anymore.
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And I'm just relaying the negative aspects of the job, its incredibly stressful and requires so much of you're spare time. You spoke to YOU'RE headmaster - I speak to my mother, I can see which of the two would be more likely to portray their opinion openly. Seriously if you're headteacher told you the job was stressful and crap - then hes a bad headteacher because it just wouldn't happen. Headteachers have to be positive, my mother tells me this - they always have to have a smile on their face and a positive attitude no matter what.
And for the record I didn't say you're headteacher lied.
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Children dying on a regular basis!!! What planet are you on!!! If a child was terminally ill they would surely not be in school. As it happens in my experiences I thankfully haven't come in contact with a child with a terminaly illness. Neither has my friend who is specialised in special needs. Those schools are different to normal schools and the child who attend do have disabilities or special needs that means they need special attention which they can get in a specialised school. Of course that would be more stressful but nobody was saying that it wasn't.
I don't understand why you're picking bones when you're training to become a teacher. It seems that you're very naive about the actual workload of a teacher. I don't see why you're comparing a teachers job to an Aircraft traffic controller. It's not a competition. It's a personal choice to become a teacher if you can't handle it - get out. If you think it's easy and requires no work good luck to you and your shoddy lessons!
Yeah - I was just about to jump down you're throat and say she's the head
Mind you, the type of teacher makes so much difference - Ive had teachers that never gave homework out and left school when the kids left, then arrived at 5 to nine the next day - they were hideous teachers who didnt give two ***** about their job. The good teachers are the ones that actually work. It depends what department you're in, what school it is, where abouts in the country it is (the tier system) - it might even depend how old they are! (experience)
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Ok evidence - Me 2nd year student on placement for 5 weeks.
Up at 6. Working 8 - 12.30. 12.45 - 6. 7.30 - 2. Just over 16 hours a day. 80 hours. Times that by 5 weeks = 400 hours. That isn't include 20 hours each weekend. So make that 500 hours. Is that enough work for you? Stress as well? I lost a stone eating healthy food. (thanks to my girlfriend who cooked for me)