I don't like teachers

[Pottsey]

Burnsy2023 said "Any particular reason? It's very annoying not having a link to the original quote."
Old habit from before the days of the quote button. Untill recently no one was bothred about me posting like this. Why should I change now when it was ok for years? The main reason I still do it, is when quoting lots of people at once I find it much easier to read my way. Also it feels right to quote people in the correct way with " marks.

I also realised a short while ago if you see a Pottsey on another forum you can spot if it's me or not. It's not too rare for me to bump into a random name and it turns out I know them so we start chatting away. The reason the random name spotted me was how I quote. But that's a side effect of quoting like this not why I do it.

Last time I stopped people complained, I did a poll and more said post like this than not, but that was years back.

 

[brummie]

brummie said "Now i know you have no idea Nice one, that made me laugh. Suppose you have experience with all these too?"
No, not done any of them well some small farming experience's. Just how are they easier then teaching? Being a Nurse on the night shift when all the drunks come in is way harder than any teaching job. Being a Journalist in a warzone is far more stressful. Farmers work longer hours than teachers, more physically demanding and if they mess up they lose their job and business.

Instead of telling me I have no idea, please explain how I am wrong. I do makes mistakes after all.

Your not generalising your now naming specifics and we can all do that. #
Think teaching in inner city london with kids with knives is fun? How about the teachers that have been raped and beaten by those kids. And yes even in a country as civilised as ours. How about those teachers that work in war zones? Do they have it any easier? How about the teacher locked up for naming a teddy bear?
Nurses on night shift work on rotas so it isnt even all the time. They also get security to help and have cameras for their protection. plus the could drug their patients Everyone complains when they go into hospital they can see nurses and doctors just standing around doin nothing. though we know its not the case.
Farmers dont compare at all TBH.

brummie said "Were you a cleaner? What have you done?"
Currently I work with children with behavioural problems. I take class's and other times I work with small groups. Also done IT support in school among other jobs. Been to many schools and have lots of friends and family working in schools.

For those that don't like my bold quoteing, is this better or worse? I am not going stop quoting like this but I will change the colour if its easier on the eyes.

Working with kids with behavioral ie small groups ? Please expand.
IT support, LOL very demanding.

 

[do_ron_ron]

yeah to a certain point. If it's secondary then you're more likely to be teaching one subject so you may not have to change that much. Primary's a little different as most of the time you're planning for 3 different set groups. Children with disabilities and children who may not speak English as their first language. 4/5 lessons a day for 39 weeks plus making resources, planning, assessing. it's not as easy as people make out.

Course it is not easy. Putting up with abuse from kids - even assault. The kids rights thing has made kids pretty untouchable. Of course the kids forget that the kids alongside him has rights too. These include the right to be educated in class without being disrupted by idiots.

If it is so easy how come there are still teacher shortages despite the Govt. bribing students to be teachers?

 

[scorza]

I'm not a teacher, i dont take work home. I can name hundreds of other people some with higher paid jobs that dont take work home.
If you laughed at me because i told you my name was Mr x then sorry that would be the very last peice of conversation you'd ever get.

Think all those bar staff, cleaners, shop workers, builders ie most of work etc etc etc (ie most of work force) take work home?

Working behind a bar is a profession now? Since when?

 

[scorza]

It's called being professional - something, by the sounds of it, that you aren't capable of. Just because you're not used to doing it doesn't mean it's not right; you're in a school/education environment - the kids have to use Mr/Mrs/Miss/Sir and to see other adults/visitors doing it as well only helps enforce that level of respect. In the privacy of an office or outside of the school then there's no need.

I can see the logic behind it if it's in front of the kids. However I was talking about in normal conversations. Then it's got nothing to do with being professional - it's about attempting to establish authority where none exists. I come across people like this every day, and if you don't stand up for yourself you get walked all over.

 

[brummie]

If a support staff is in charge of say software licences and all orders have to go though them. The teacher will ignore it even after repeated warnings, thinking they are above support staff. The teacher will then go out and spend £100 or £1000's on equipment or software that's wrong and do it again and again, licensed incorrectly or worse the school already has license's for. I once worked with a teacher that took it upon himself to order 4 laptops that couldn't do the job he needed as the wrong ports where on the laptop. A giant waste of money. the same teacher also thought support staff are there to do his bidding. (The I don't care what you're doing, drop it now and do this minor job for me type teacher). Which luckily there are none of where I work now. Another example one school I was at just scrapped £1000's of English books due to being inappropriate for the current age range. One year later a teacher decided to rebuy all those books even after ofsted report about how inappropriate the age range of the books was. That type of thing would surly get you fired in other jobs or at least a warning.
In my experience bad teachers have to make a lot of mistakes and bad discussions before they get fired.

well according to a "friend" this is "punishable" and you cant get direct access to funds. Some one else higher up must also approve this.

 

[brummie]

Working behind a bar is a profession now? Since when?

i have no idea what your on about with that

 

[do_ron_ron]

I find that very hard to believe.

http://www.teachinginscotland.com/tis/243.75.79.html

"Every year you'll get 13 weeks holiday at full pay. That means your total working year is 195 days over 39 weeks, with five days for in-service training."

Which suggests you're wrong as well.

I also know that in Scotland the teachers have to do about a weeks work attending courses in their own time and own expense as part of their Professional Development.

 

[do_ron_ron]

so 3 x45min-1hour slots is enough, to do all lesson plans, planning, research, marking, school reports and everything else please.

The only paper work that teachers have started to of load is the stupid red tape stuff that isn't directly involved in lessons.

Due to Govt. Initiatives over the past ten years the amount of paperwork has spiraled. Each new Initiative has to be planned, where will it fit in the curriculum, what might have to give way for it(there is only a finite amount of time), meetings about it as it usually impacts over subject areas and all this to be written up as the schol inspectors will want to see how you are implementing the Initiative.

 

[TriedandTested]

I can see the logic behind it if it's in front of the kids. However I was talking about in normal conversations. Then it's got nothing to do with being professional - it's about attempting to establish authority where none exists. I come across people like this every day, and if you don't stand up for yourself you get walked all over.

Trust me, it's (more often than not) NOT done to establish authority over other adults or to walk over people. It's about standards and keeping them high with the pupils.

I've been working in education for over three years now and I've never met any teachers that insist that you call them Mr/Mrs etc, it's just a done thing in front of the children.

 

[TriedandTested]

I also know that in Scotland the teachers have to do about a weeks work attending courses in their own time and own expense as part of their Professional Development.

Wow, really? Schools usually have budgets set aside for Professional Development. I'm surprised the teachers go on courses if they have to pay themselves!

 

[penski]

penski said "And you want to be a teacher?!?!
*n"
Why wouldn't I want to be a teacher? Its challenging so you don't get bored, it's very rewarding at times and it has good pay. Some of my best memories are working with children. I think some people are misunderstanding me. I never meant to come across as teachers have it easy with a low workload. I clearly said a number of times now it's challenging.

I was referring to the fact that you are unable to use the term 'etc' correctly. It is a contraction of 'et cetera'...Christ, I bet you pronounce it 'ecksetra' too...

*n

 

[scorza]

i have no idea what your on about with that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profession

The term profession thus refers to an occupation, vocation or high-status career, usually involving prolonged academic training, formal qualifications and membership of a professional or regulatory body.

 

[scorza]

Trust me, it's (more often than not) NOT done to establish authority over other adults or to walk over people. It's about standards and keeping them high with the pupils.

I've been working in education for over three years now and I've never met any teachers that insist that you call them Mr/Mrs etc, it's just a done thing in front of the children.

Like I said, I can understand why you'd do it in front of the kids. The OP claims he has be told to address them as such in private conversations as well though I'm sure I've read at least one other post here in the past that claims the same.

 

[jojothemonkey69]

Your not generalising your now naming specifics and we can all do that. #
Think teaching in inner city london with kids with knives is fun? How about the teachers that have been raped and beaten by those kids. And yes even in a country as civilised as ours. How about those teachers that work in war zones? Do they have it any easier? How about the teacher locked up for naming a teddy bear?
Nurses on night shift work on rotas so it isnt even all the time. They also get security to help and have cameras for their protection. plus the could drug their patients Everyone complains when they go into hospital they can see nurses and doctors just standing around doin nothing. though we know its not the case.
Farmers dont compare at all TBH.

A lad I know was assaulted by a 10 year old. I know a primary school where a police officer is employed on a full time basis. I think Pottsey just wants a bit of a fight. I don't think we can get through to you. Cya.

 

[Pottsey]

brummie said "Think teaching in inner city london with kids with knives is fun?"
I already said some inner city schools are much harder than normal teaching jobs. Pretty sure I mentioned a while back how hard inner city London style schools can be.




brummie said "IT support, LOL very demanding."
It can be at the higher levels more change's in 1 year of IT support then 7 years of most teacher subjects or something along those lines. You're dealing with very complicated systems which need a high level of training where one mistake effects a lots of people far more than 1 teacher. Not all IT support jobs are demanding. As IT support you can be responsible for 100s or 1000's of computers and 1000's or 10,000+ of users. It all depends on what type of support you do. Sitting on a phone line answer tech calls is not that demanding, being a network manager for a large network is demanding. One could argue more demanding then a teacher in some ways. Try creating and managing a large network knowing that if you make a mistake a company can lose millions or £10,000's. IT support it sometimes said to be "IT people work all day and night in a secluded part of the building that nobody really knows how to get too. If he does his job properly, nobody even knows he exists, he doesn't get noticed and he doesn't get acclaimed. If he screws up, the entire company collapses and he's immediately fired."



brummie said "Working with kids with behavioral ie small groups ? Please expand."
Sometimes I work with small groups taking 1 to 4 aside from the rest of the class. Sometimes I take the full class.

Penski if anything is going make me fail my teaching course it's going be my English skills. My English skills are weak and need improvement. There is no way I will ever be an English teacher, I am no where near good enough.

 

[do_ron_ron]

Wow, really? Schools usually have budgets set aside for Professional Development. I'm surprised the teachers go on courses if they have to pay themselves!

This was part of their last pay agreement. It has nothing to do with school training which is becoming less available.

 

[Pottsey]

jojothemonkey69 said"I think Pottsey just wants a bit of a fight. I don't think we can get through to you."
I don't want a big fight, people are misunderstanding me. As I sad many times before teachers jobs are not easy and are not stress free. Being a teacher is challenging.

Just because I think some teachers make it sound worse than it is, doesn't mean I think its easy.

 

[TriedandTested]

Sometimes I work with small groups taking 1 to 4 aside from the rest of the class. Sometimes I take the full class.

Are you sure you should even be doing this? What stage are you at with your training? Those courses you mentioned I've not heard of before.

Are you doing more of a TA type role rather than a teaching role right now? I'm sure it must be, as you shouldn't be teaching classes unless you're qualified to do so.

 

[checjb]

Sorry OP but you're whole view of teachers is based on flawed understanding of the situation. Just because they leave school at 3:30 doesn't mean they stop working. My wife leaves her school at 4:00 every day. Then goes to pick up our son from nursery. She plays with him until I get home at 6:15 when we take it in turns to play and do the bath-time routine. He goes to bed at 7:30 after which I cook etc and she starts work (lesson planning, marking, preparation for parent's evenings etc) and she usually does that until 10:30 or 11:00. So an average of 3 hours extra a night. As she has pre-school briefing from 8:30 that means she works the equivalent of 8:30-6:30. Are those decent enough hours in your book?

As for the comments that teachers have enough admin time that "any decently organised teacher doesn't need to work from home", that really is just a complete crock and simply isn't born out by fact/experience. Any decent teacher strives to make their lessons to a high quality and provoke interaction and learning from kids. This takes time and most schools simply don't have the resources (read: cash) to hire enough teaching staff to ensure that teachers actually have the required time during the school day. If the staff don't put that extra effort in at home then the lessons are boring, kids don't learn etc.

As the old saying goes, "walk a mile in my shoes ..."