Forget recession! It might not even matter anymore!

i thought it was an international venture not a European

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yak.h'cir said:
The UK has quite a bit of involvement in the LHC project, not just with money but with a lot of input from our scientists. It doesn't make sense for any one country to build something like this since the scale is just so huge + all of the results are going to be shared anyway so it doesn't make sense for everyone to just build their own LHC.
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I'm not just talking about the lhc, over the past few years the uk has been lacking in the science department. With a gdp of 2.7 Trillion and tax revenue of 551 billion you'd expect the government to invest a little more.
 
Im expecting some insanely idiotic activist to go into cern and try turning it off himself inadvertantly malfunctioning and destroying the planet.....


well it happens all the time in the movies.
 
Energize said:
I'm not just talking about the lhc, over the past few years the uk has been lacking in the science department. With a gdp of 2.7 Trillion and tax revenue of 551 billion you'd expect the government to invest a little more.
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Well there's certainly no arguing the government could do more to invest in science, especially with regards to astronomy since this area seems to be particularly lacking at the moment. But on an international scale I don't think we do to badly.
 
Energize said:
I'm not just talking about the lhc, over the past few years the uk has been lacking in the science department. With a gdp of 2.7 Trillion and tax revenue of 551 billion you'd expect the government to invest a little more.
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Substantial funds now come from charitable organisations as well as private backing. Of course you also have massive research councils giving out grants. The HEFCE alone gave out £7 billion last year in research funding - and you know most of that was for part privately funded work.
 
If the was any real possibility that the world was going to end God/ETs or some other higher intelligence would intervine and stop the machine being switched on.
 
The world is only going to end of December 29th 2012 don't you know.




Which is my birthday.....
 
The LHC is a machine of extreme hot and cold. When two beams of protons collide, they will generate temperatures more than 100 000 times hotter than the heart of the Sun, concentrated within a minuscule space. By contrast, the 'cryogenic distribution system', which circulates superfluid helium around the accelerator ring, keeps the LHC at a super cool temperature of -271.3°C (1.9 K) – even colder than outer space!
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how can they be sure this is alright to do?it sounds kinda scary i must admit:rolleyes:
 
Inquisitor said:
Well the meteor that supposedly killed the dinosaurs would be significantly less catastrophic than the creation of strange matter, in the (very) unlikely event that such a thing should happen :p
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:confused: Strange matter has been created in particle accelerators for some time now with no serious effects.
 
Iraklis F.C. said:
how can they be sure this is alright to do?it sounds kinda scary i must admit:rolleyes:
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That temp is only reached in a very small area where the collision occurs + it only lasts for an extremely short period of time, because of this actual energy here isn't that high (well it is if you're going to compare it to running a lightbulb but not when you compare it to what's going on inside the Earth or the Sun!)
 
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Iraklis F.C. said:
how can they be sure this is alright to do?it sounds kinda scary i must admit:rolleyes:
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Because such temperatures will be incredibly short-lived (of the order of picoseconds or femtoseconds I think).

Also, it's misleading when people talk about space being cold. In actual fact it's very hot, in the technical sense – several thousand kelvin I believe, depending on where you are – but temperature has little meaning since the pressure there is vanishingly small.

Remember that in space, there's (practically) no matter to which heat can be transferred, so the only means of losing thermal energy is by grey body radiation.
 
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i assume they have done similar tests reaching say 50.000 times hotter than the heart of the Sun. A step by step approach is more reasonable i want to believe.

i trust those scientists but i am worried because this is extreme science and humans arent perfect. I take their words for granted because science job is not to tell lies , thats religions job
 
Inquisitor said:
Significant amounts of, then!
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:) Already done!

Brookhaven National Laboratory said:
UPTON, NY - Strange science has taken a great leap forward at the U.S. Department of Energy's Brookhaven National Laboratory. There, physicists have produced a significant number of "doubly strange nuclei," or nuclei containing two strange quarks. Studies of these nuclei will help scientists explore the forces between nuclear particles, particularly within so-called strange matter, and may contribute to a better understanding of neutron stars, the super dense remains of burnt-out stars, which are thought to contain large quantities of strange quarks.
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http://www.bnl.gov/bnlweb/pubaf/pr/2001/bnlpr082001.htm
 
Inquisitor said:
Because such temperatures will be incredibly short-lived (of the order of picoseconds or femtoseconds I think).

Also, it's misleading when people talk about space being cold. In actual fact it's very hot, in the technical sense – several thousand kelvin I believe, depending on where you are – but temperature has little meaning since the pressure there is vanishingly small.

Remember that in space, there's (practically) no matter to which heat can be transferred, so the only means of losing thermal energy is by grey body radiation.
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Isn't space around the order of 3 kelvin?
 
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