Very poor response. This case nearly resulted in 6 people being charged with murder and everyone one of them have passed several lie detecter tests.
Undeniable proof UFO's are Real?
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Very poor response. This case nearly resulted in 6 people being charged with murder and everyone one of them have passed several lie detecter tests.
right, so this theory is based solely on the the very strange idea that the aliens would share their technology, YET they don't so long as the government covers them up?
That makes no sense what so ever it contradicts itself.
Surl;y if the aliens where going to share they would just appear over London/NY etc and say "hello, fancy a bit of tech?"
Rather an buzzing a few random people every now and then?
You know lie detectors are inadmissible in court?
because they can be gotten around with little bit of practice/preparation
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really did u watcht he clip?!
No it's based on the fact that people in power who wish to maintain there power have a vested interest in covering-up UFOs.
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you could put someone who has seen "Nessie" on a lie detector test and they may pass...but they still may never have seen nessie, just that their mind believes that what they saw WAS nessie...
Only recently. Not back in 1975. And are you trying to suggest 7 working class forest labourers decided to get together and practice 'getting round' lie detecters even though they didn't have lie detecters to practice with? What motive would they have for it in the first place?
But that makes no sense, if they didn't there would be no gain what soever after all the aliens don;t give us anything do they? all they do is apparently fly about a bit then bugger off.
how exactly does that change anything?
Are you saying if the government didn't say "there are not aliens flying round the south of wales" cars would run on something other than petrol?
What do the aliens get out of it then? Why do they just show up fly about a bit, abduct a yokel probe his anus then fly off, why don't they say hello?
Why don't they nick our stuff.
What do the reptilians think about all this?
That's mickey mouse logic and you know it Tefal. Interaction with an evolving species is lot more complex than landing on the whitehouse lawn and saying hello.
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I'm sure you would. And was it known that lie detecter tests could be beaten in 1975?
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For what puropse though? Why make up such an elaborate story and practice beating lie detecters? What did they stand to gain from it?
Why did Travis decide to go missing for 5 days and intiate a massive police search and cause untold upset to his family? And if it was all for a joke don't you think they would have come clean when they were about to be charged with murder?
No it isn't your's is just a compliantly unbelievable series of excuses.
We do it all the time (well we used to it's harder now ) we find a tribe thats never had contact before we hire some guides get some people and go say hello.
You're saying.
The government covers up UFO's because UFO's can provide us with something to stop using oil,
UfO's have never provided us with anything/have made no contact with the people at large/or anyone of scientific importance.
How exactly does covering up a fly by protect the oil?
That only works if the aliens are actively trying to give us the tech and the government are fighting them off/stopping them.
You also haven't answered what exactly the alines what.
If UFOs that poesess vehicles that run and free energy and can travel from one side of the galaxy to the other landed how much longer do you think oil would last? How much longer do you think the government could maintain it's dominance over the people?
Do you think these ETs have ID cards, credit cards, mortgages and pay taxes? Don't you think that if people saw theres workable alternatives to the current way of doing things there might be a bit of a rebellion?
The revealing of ETs would be the total undoing of the establishment and the rich and powerful.
But the ET's don't give us these things, hell why would they?
So what is to ge gained from covering them up?
Most likely, for an organized culture you generally need some for of control/government/hierarchy, hierarchy needs funding that means TAX.
There are workable alternatives now, their just **** and most people don't want to do them.
Not really, as if knowledge of the existance of advanced technology leads to the destruction of society, then how exactly do countires without western nuclear tech etc, exist? surely they would all just be rioting to get this new tech.
And you still haven;t answered what these aliens gain from flying round a bit and then ****ing off, or why they don#t just say hello/trade/steal/slave us.
By covering it up peoples perceptions don't change so things don't change.
Tefal said:
I imagine any interstella civilisation has moved beyond money considering money is an entirely man-made construct and is just a piece of paper.
EDIT : There's also a difference between organised and intelligent.
Tefal said:
I'm not saying it will lead to the destruction of society but it would certainly lead to a shift in the balance of power. I'm sure Rothschild, Rockefellers, et all like the idea of being no better than anyone else.
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There gradualy letting us know they're there for a start.
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And you still haven't answered what Travis Walton and his work collegues stood to gain from fabricating a story of being abducted for 5 days.
Some degree of fame. Probably some money. Being considered special in some way. People do a lot more for a lot less.
They certainly do. But after the abduction Travis deliberatly avoided the media because he was so psychologicaly effected by it and there's medical evidence to back this up. Also he hasn't made that much money out of it, if any at all, as he now works in a recycling plant. And no one was expecting the amount of media interest that the story attracted. It took the whole town by storm.
Several of his collegues have refused to give any interviews to the media and refuse to talk about it to friends. It's also been documented that people involved weren't even freinds as such, just people who were doing a job together.
Imagine you start a job and someone you work with says "I know lets invent a story of being abducted by aliens and try and gain some fame and money". We'll practice a beating lie decter tests too make it more believable. It's not plausible that this happened.
And if it had been orchestrated for money don't you think when they were about to face charges for murder they would have come clean?
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I can buy that, but I don't necessarily interpret it the same way as you do. There are many examples of societies being ruined by contact with a much more technologically advanced society. The pace of change is too great and society falls apart. For example, most current jobs would simply cease to exist in any real sense. At best, people would be left doing their work as a charitable gesture to them, and that's not good.
Money is just a standardised medium of exchange. Essentially, it's still barter. It's still the exchange of one thing for another. It's just a far more versatile form than "I'll give you twice this rock's weight in wool from my sheep in exchange for 12 eggs from your chickens" followed by the sheep-owner exchanging the eggs for some beer and some needlework, which they then give to someone skilled in woodcarving in exhange for the carving on the frame of their front door that was what they wanted in the first place.
I don't see why an interstellar civilisation would necessarily have moved "beyond" a system in which people exchange things in trade.