Lance Armstrong To Race Tour De France Next Year

He was a good cyclist though regardless of his previous finishes (or non-finishes) in the tour. Cyclists get better with age, which is quite a well known fact and even if he did dope in the past he wasnt the only one and certainly not the only sport (ever seen pumping iron?!?). He has still achieved more than most people could dream of and regardless of whether he doped or not, is still a huge role-model for a lot of people and a great supporter of cancer research. Irrespective of past intentions if he is doing this to raise cancer awareness then fair play I say.

Also... a lot of his wins are because he had a great team supporting him, which he openly admits to.
 
brai9dead said:
He was a good cyclist though regardless of his previous finishes (or non-finishes) in the tour. Cyclists get better with age, which is quite a well known fact and even if he did dope in the past he wasnt the only one and certainly not the only sport (ever seen pumping iron?!?). He has still achieved more than most people could dream of and regardless of whether he doped or not, is still a huge role-model for a lot of people and a great supporter of cancer research. Irrespective of past intentions if he is doing this to raise cancer awareness then fair play I say.

Also... a lot of his wins are because he had a great team supporting him, which he openly admits to.
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What the team who pretty much every member of have since been done for blood doping?

3 of his fellow riders and his number one doctor, oh and his number one trainer too.


I dont think he will be allowed to ride the tour anyway.

L'equipe broke the news of his failed frozen epo samples the month after lance quit cycling

L'equipe are owned by the ASO and the ASO run the tour de france.
 
CaPtBlaCk said:
Damn, do the UCI know all this? Do the TDF organisers know all of this? Damn, the Gendarmes even? How about David Walsh?

This is explosive!! They will never let him ride competitively again!!
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lol yes see here

I dont think he will be allowed to ride the tour anyway.

L'equipe broke the news of his failed frozen epo samples the month after lance quit cycling

L'equipe are owned by the ASO and the ASO run the tour de france.
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Two of lance armstrongs former team have since stated they were witness to armstrong doping anyway

Emma O'reilly and Mike Anderson

Irishwoman Emma O'Reilly, who worked with Armstrong for three and a half years beginning in 1998, alleges that he asked her to dispose of bags containing syringes after the 1998 Tour of Holland, only months after the Festina scandal at the Tour de France almost brought the race to its knees.

O'Reilly also charges that in May 1999, while Armstrong was at a training camp in the Pyrénées, she was asked to drive to Spain to collect drugs and bring them back into France, which she later handed to Armstrong in a parking lot.While O'Reilly left the team at the end of the 2000 season, she did so under good terms. FormerPostal general manager Mark Gorski once referred to the now-33-year-old soigneur as "the heart and soul of the team."
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The_One said:
did he suddenly grow that capacity then because before teaming up with cyclings blood doping guru in 1999 he was a shoddy tour de france rider.

Entered 4 tour de frances prior to cancer and failed to finish in 3 of them.

His "huge tidal capacity" didnt help him much there eh ;)

Like to discredit his 6 failed epo samples from the 1999 tour de france do we?
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Ok, 1993 World Champion, ranked no1 in the World, 10 one day race wins, first TDF stage win, hardly shoddy and a good season would hardly equal a TDF winning performance! You may not have noticed, but you do not start out as a 'great' TDF rider, you have to be good enough for your team to be built around you and to allow you to base a whole years racing/training on the outcome of 21 days of riding in July.

The 1999 EPO results are very contentious, however the same cannot be said for 2000, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and there are many conclusions as to why that is.

Your diatribe above is all well documented around the internet and I suspect that you may well be French in origin. But fact is that there really are no facts in the allegations that would allow any of the investigating authorities to pin anything on him.
 
CaPtBlaCk said:
Ok, 1993 World Champion, ranked no1 in the World, 10 one day race wins, first TDF stage win, hardly shoddy and a good season would hardly equal a TDF winning performance! You may not have noticed, but you do not start out as a 'great' TDF rider, you have to be good enough for your team to be built around you and to allow you to base a whole years racing/training on the outcome of 21 days of riding in July.

The 1999 EPO results are very contentious, however the same cannot be said for 2000, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and there are many conclusions as to why that is.

Your diatribe above is all well documented around the internet and I suspect that you may well be French in origin. But fact is that there really are no facts in the allegations that would allow any of the investigating authorities to pin anything on him.
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hero...
 
The_One said:
I dont think he will be allowed to ride the tour anyway.

L'equipe broke the news of his failed frozen epo samples the month after lance quit cycling

L'equipe are owned by the ASO and the ASO run the tour de france.
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WITCH HUNT springs to mind and your post above goes some way to explaining why......
 
To be frankly honest it really doesnt bother me what you think.

However im an avid follower of the tour de france and what goes on behind closed doors and all the evidence is there to suggest armstrong doped.

Apart from the failed b samples armstrong has never tested positive.

However two of cyclings biggest ever dopers basso and ullrich never tested postive either but were both found to of doped ;)
 
The_One said:
To be frankly honest it really doesnt bother me what you think.
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exactly, works both ways. There are plenty of people (myself obviously included) who cannot wait to see armstrong back in the saddle for the tour. Irrespective of what has happened in the past he has openly admitted that he is doing it for a good cause and I really can't see who this is hurting by letting a guy who is 37 compete in a race that he shouldn't win.

There is no way that a guy his age who hasn't tested positive for drugs should be able to do as well as he has at his ages in marathons AND BMX. Let him compete I say.

Will only go to show more that cycling is lacking more people like Armstrong who can really pull in a crowd
 
It will be fantastic to see the Greatest Ever Tour Cyclist back in the saddle, no matter what some might think.

Viva La Lance !!!
 
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The_One said:
To be frankly honest it really doesnt bother me what you think.
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But it does otherwise you'd not be replying to everyone

The_One said:
However im an avid follower of the tour de france and what goes on behind closed doors and all the evidence is there to suggest armstrong doped.
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Then you'd also be aware of the fact that the French generally disliked Armstrong so surely if he'd have done anything wrong they'd have used this to rubbish him, his career and have him out of the Tour. Considering he won the tour seven times on the trot and therefore had all the press, all the stigma all the attention then if he'd done anything wrong surely that means that the level of ineptitude shown by the UCI, tour organisers and doping technicians combined was of a massive order to have not clearly proved your claims

After 4 wins why didnt they think "Right we cant have him win again lets follow his every steps and do him"............yet another 3 wins later and hey presto zilch

They found Vinokourov and Landis almost overnight, yet never Armstrong, if what you say is true then I fully expect all such witnesses against him to now be contacting the UCI and tour to inform them of what he did

The_One said:
Apart from the failed b samples armstrong has never tested positive.
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Yes, he's passed literally hundreds of times over a decade, go figure............

The_One said:
However two of cyclings biggest ever dopers basso and ullrich never tested postive either but were both found to of doped
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Yes they were FOUND to have doped, so good riddance


What about David Millar lol, he's still riding and is now an ambassador for anti drugs even though he admitted their use and was banned, yet everyone conveniently forgets this
 
I hope he doesnt do the Tour next year. If he does, he'll end up being a pin cushion for the anti-doping mob.

As to his performance, its worth watching "The science of Lance Armstrong" and reading "Its not about the bike".
Both cover the fact his lung capacity before he got cancer out strips a normal person, hence he had a different cancer treatment to protect his lungs for scarring and thus killing his career. Plus his muscles dont produce Lactic acid at the same rate as a normal person and his heart pumps blood and a some rate of knots higher than normal. He's a genetic anomaly regards sports people.
 
ten80p said:
But it does otherwise you'd not be replying to everyone
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I wouldn't have said that proves anything particularly. The_One was asked for 'proof', he came up with some and then said it didn't bother him much whether you accepted it or not, so far all he has done is responded as requested. What The_One says or does next might indicate how much it matters to him whether you believe but at the moment the jury is out.

ten80p said:
Then you'd also be aware of the fact that the French generally disliked Armstrong so surely if he'd have done anything wrong they'd have used this to rubbish him, his career and have him out of the Tour. Considering he won the tour seven times on the trot and therefore had all the press, all the stigma all the attention then if he'd done anything wrong surely that means that the level of ineptitude shown by the UCI, tour organisers and doping technicians combined was of a massive order to have not clearly proved your claims

After 4 wins why didnt they think "Right we cant have him win again lets follow his every steps and do him"............yet another 3 wins later and hey presto zilch

They found Vinokourov and Landis almost overnight, yet never Armstrong, if what you say is true then I fully expect all such witnesses against him to now be contacting the UCI and tour to inform them of what he did
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Two major issues here 1) letting sleeping dogs lie and 2) Mr Armstrongs massive popularity outside of France and the fact that he suffered from cancer. Vinokourov and Landis had neither the profile or the following of Armstrong which makes them easier targets to attack - maybe they simply weren't as clever about it - frankly I don't know.

ten80p said:
Yes, he's passed literally hundreds of times over a decade, go figure............
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How long does EPO stay noticeable in the bloodstream? I genuinely don't know but with many drugs you can apparantly tail them off leaving you with some of the lasting effects but a very limited chance of being detected compared to the normal levels that would naturally occur.

ten80p said:
What about David Millar lol, he's still riding and is now an ambassador for anti drugs even though he admitted their use and was banned, yet everyone conveniently forgets this
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It isn't about forgetting, he served his mandated punishment and admitted the crime so at this point he is 'redeemed'.

I don't know whether Lance Armstrong has doped although I've read It's Not About The Bike and the explanation of the effects of cancer reshaping his body (or allowing him to do so) seem vaguely plausible although his subsequent performances were stratospheric compared to the earlier ones. At the moment I can't say for sure and I quite possibly never will know, I just don't like his personality or the way he has treated other people.
 
The_One said:
Its official and i think its very bad for the tour de france.

Cycling is trying to and starting to rid the sport of the dopers and now its allowing one of the biggest dopers ever to ride again.

I really hope he doesnt go to astana as contador has been promised there lead ride and if lance goes there contador WILL NOT ride for lance.
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Please link official evidence that he has been caught for doping. Wait, you won't find any, you're just regurgitating puke you read in your favourite magazine or tabloid.
 
Responding to cretins aside. I was going to France to see his last tour in action, but sadly work got in the way. This time I'll be seeing this legend in action. this time!
 
fantastic news i might actually watch the tour this year :p

and to those who think he doped go away put yer head under the rock you crawled out from until you come up with some evidence that he did.


Fact is a man should never be good enought o win 7 tours, cancer then do it.

If you read his 2 biographies you may start to realise how and why he won the tours, it wasnt down to drugs it was

1: because he is abnormal when it comes to lactic acid / lung capacity etc.
2: this guys trained harder than anyone.
3: He understood the need for his team 100% he used tactics and all of the people around him in order to help him win eachand every tour.

I remember reading in his book a time he climbed a mountain it may have been alp du heuz, on a training run afgter riding 140 km or so.

He didnt like the way he went up the mountain so he went back tot he bottom and climbed it again. I mean that takes some doing.
 
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