*** Official Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning Thread***

[ramdor]

its still the same talents used for each class to best defeat them, some even might say 'scripted' i have played enough PVP to know thats its not my thing its fun for a while but gets repetative.. got figure

i am looking forward to this game in all its aspects though. should be fun

Whilst I appreciate it might not be for you, PvP is definitely not 'scripted'. Repetition exists through all game genres. TF2 for example, over and over you respawn, do the same thing, die.

Imo the randomness of PvP in an mmorpg turns a paper/scissor/stone game into a far more complex one.

 

[Gurkhali]

Has there been any news regarding the Standard Edition Jersey pre-order headstart codes?

 

[Anim]

Whilst I appreciate it might not be for you, PvP is definitely not 'scripted'. Repetition exists through all game genres. TF2 for example, over and over you respawn, do the same thing, die.

Imo the randomness of PvP in an mmorpg turns a paper/scissor/stone game into a far more complex one.

You evidently have no talent/skill within an fps environment then

 

[Threshold]

sorry if this has been posted before but is there going to be or indeed is there a list of what server on destruction everybody is going to be on for release and what career everybody is going to roll? I understand that most are still unsure as indeed I'm not certain what to roll on but I'd like to join a guild as soon as it starts and i figured an ocuk one would be cool

 

[Leodido]

WAR PvP should be way less repetitive than WOW for example. With the Keep attacks objectives etc.. you can often move from different things, DAOC RvR was really awesome and not really repetitive, you would go there defend a keep then attack this tower, defend the relic etc..

EDIT: From what i understood most people are rolling on Ellyrion Open RvR Role Play server, is that because it will be less crowded? did not really understand, also i'm not sure i want to play on open RvR, someone can't remember who said something quite right, behind able to go one tier down of yours is a stupid idea, you will end up with everyone T2 people playing in T1 because T1 players are easier to kill same for T3 and T2 and T4 people will play a little in T3...

 

[ramdor]

You evidently have no talent/skill within an fps environment then

not anymore Too many years playing mmo's since the days of eq. I also find them boring

 

[Teki187]

Much to my disappointment, at the moment this game is seriously lacking. I'm actually trying really hard to like this game, because playing WoW for 4 years does start to dull the mind.

PvP is completely imbalanced, animations are missing or not working or if they do work, they look terrible.

Couple of examples, the destruction class with the 2 swords are just rampaging through everyone hardly loosing any health and dealing huge damage.

PvP feels like 5v5 arena fights in wow with everyone in capped resilience, it takes 20mins to kill someone and even then its pot luck if you actually kill them since the servers lag like mad.

3-4 times in a row my animations have been stuck when casting eagle eye, so i'm running around with my bow pointing in the air. Switching from scout to battle stance takes roughly 10 secs, which when you want to cast a snare, is far to long.

Falling from a high distance is a rather interesting experience. You fall, slow down, fall faster, slow down, fall faster and so on. Looks completely crazy and feels some amateur made the animation.

The generic run animation that every race and class has is really appalling in my opinion, to create the feel of different races and there uniqueness they need unique things like running, jumping and so on.

The world looks great, but its missing the small things that make it feel more realistic.

The npcs look very pretty and i like the elf guys making them chests float about a bit.

So far i'm level 8 and i feel like its a single player like AoC. I see other people running around, but there is no general chat that people use or talk on, no one responds in /say and in RvR the chat channel there is used to flame people and whine about x player.

The tome of knowledge is really amazing, i love it to bits. Holds tons of information and is a awesome idea. Can not stress how much i love this.

Maybe i should stop comparing this to WoW, but i cant help it considering its got a load of similarities to it and if they want to try and take some people from WoW, then if i dont enjoy it, the chances are generic wow player number 40 probably wont either.

To compare this to WoW in what its lacking, polish, LOADS of it. Quick, reactive and exciting pvp and pve, fluid animations and uniqueness in them. The stats you use per class is confusing also, they need to explain via a tutorial or via the in game help system how it works, whats beneficial to your class and so on. There are only 2 trade skills, that for me is shocking. These things that are effecting me personally from liking it more.

To compare this to WoW in how its better, tome of knowledge is amazing, graphics are really good, RvR seems to have a lot of potential, the lore seems interesting, i havent read up on much of it, but it seems good. There are more i'm sure, but i'll continue playing.

Right thats another of my reviews out the way. Time to play a witch hunter or a orc with a shield thing.

 

[m4cc45]

Have you read the patch notes? New patch goes live today (should be done by now). I've enjoyed the PQ system and the PvP system. Both have been fun and certainly I don't feel it's a single player.

You can't compare it to WoW yet as it isn't even out. WoW also has 4/5 years on this. If anyting WoW is looking outdated and will do more so as time passes (because of the original engine and what it was designed to run on).

Give it a chance and see. If you're not sure wait until the trial.



M.

 

[ramdor]

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Many good points there Teki. Even myth have said that they are not competing with WoW, and to be honest, I dont think any mmo will be able to any time soon. War will get the players that have given up on wow, I doubt it will convert a large % over.

War would fail big time if it came out after Wotlk, so they have to go with it now. Is it finished, is it polished enough to release now? From the looks of your post it seems like a no.

I have been in the War beta since the friends/family invites way way back when there was one server, with 10 people playing. I played it for a couple of weeks and gave up on it. I decided not to look at it again until it got released. Now I am in two minds if I should bother picking it up on the 18th or wait a few months until it is all sorted.

 

[Tombstone]

It actually shares a lot more similarities with Daoc than WoW really imo. But I can understand why people these days would compare it to WoW rather than Daoc.

Explanations for things will come in a manual or via the tooltips, really I find most of it self explanatory, but perhaps I've been playing MMOs too long so its all second nature

I havent experienced any missing animations, but maybe thats just luck on the classes I picked.

I wouldnt really expect the pvp at level 8 etc to be particularly balanced. Daocs class balance at low levels was just as unbalanced. Its difficult to compare class balance when classes dont get their full range of abilities until later stages. What seems a powerful class at low levels can be far from it as opposing classes pick up their opposing skills.

You're right that people dont talk in open chat much, but sadly thats a trend I have noticed ever since I left UO, with every year people seem to speak less and less in MMOs as all the chat becomes guild focused and people arent interested in the social aspect of MMOs, just the loot or the ego boosting pwnage

 

[Sleepery]

A lot of those criticisms can be put down to the fact that it's still in beta. It does still look very rough in places, but that's really to be expected. Last night I had a witch hunter bug that let me shoot a bullet, which would crawl out of the gun at about 2mph. I was able to run around it front and watch it pass through me. If I'd had a /matrix emote I'd have died a happy man

I realise that the fact that it's brand new and rough around the edges won't mean a thing to most WoW players, who will sniff at it (if it's not polished a whole lot) and then drop it like a hot coal.

Still, I think it's got enough going for it that it will start off well, and gradually build up a massive following. Provided the devs are quick enough at fixing things, of course. That's the big IF.

 

[Teki187]

I don't feel it's a single player.

Maybe because you are in a guild or something, but i feel like i'm on my own. I NEVER end up speaking with anyone about anything. In WoW you can at least talk/flame on global, which gave you the sense the world was populated by other humans.

You can't compare it to WoW yet as it isn't even out.

Of course i can, everyone else will be. And tbh its so much like WoW the instant comparison will be based upon WoW. Sorry.

WoW also has 4/5 years on this. If anyting WoW is looking outdated and will do more so as time passes (because of the original engine and what it was designed to run on).

WoW has been out for a long time yes, but the game still holds 10million players, so they must be doing something right. The graphics do look dated but the amount of polish they do makes the game withstand the test of time.

Give it a chance and see. If you're not sure wait until the trial.



M.

I really am trying to give it a chance, see if i can see a glimmer of hope, but currently i cant and i'm seeing things and doing things that i dont feel makes the game fluid and enjoyable. Maybe its because im low level, maybe it could be a million other things, but i'm really trying to enjoy this game.

ven myth have said that they are not competing with WoW, and to be honest, I dont think any mmo will be able to any time soon.

Sorry to say mate, but if you make a game that looks like WoW in many ways, you have to be competing wether its official or not.

And your right, no one will compare to WoW for a very long time, but that is only because this game is lacking the polish and fluidity that it needs. If they fixed the animations, combat and some world enviroment decals, then they would be on to a real WoW compettitor.

War would fail big time if it came out after Wotlk, so they have to go with it now. Is it finished, is it polished enough to release now? From the looks of your post it seems like a no.

War would fail if it came out after WOTLK, but if it came out a year later with more polish they would completely destroy WoW. 1 year after TBC released most players became bored. WoW players are ready for something new. This game is about 75% from being there and taking it all.

 

[Tombstone]

Still, I think it's got enough going for it that it will start off well, and gradually build up a massive following. Provided the devs are quick enough at fixing things, of course. That's the big IF.

Yeah, thats always been my prediction for WAR, a slow start and then as people begin to see videos on youtube etc of the large scale keep fights and think...just a minute, that actually looks pretty fun, I'll give that a go. The numbers will grow over time.

For me though, its really just because its similar to the open rvr of Daoc, I've long missed that kind of pvp as I really dont think I could tolerate another instanced bg ever in a game.

 

[Teki187]

Explanations for things will come in a manual

No offence intended by this, but i'm pretty sure 80% of most gamers never bother reading the manual. The game needs to explain what to do and at the moment it doesn't.

I havent experienced any missing animations, but maybe thats just luck on the classes I picked.

Try playing a Shadow warrior and bashing the ranged combat skills, you'll soon see that sometimes you dont even get any animation when using a skill.

I wouldnt really expect the pvp at level 8 etc to be particularly balanced. Daocs class balance at low levels was just as unbalanced. Its difficult to compare class balance when classes dont get their full range of abilities until later stages. What seems a powerful class at low levels can be far from it as opposing classes pick up their opposing skills.

So true, but unlimited health and huge damage at level 8 is a little excessive.

A lot of those criticisms can be put down to the fact that it's still in beta.

Open beta generally reflects what the game will be like on launch, AoC was crap up until the day it launched, it launched and it felt like i was still playing open beta. Do not expect a miracle patch.

It does still look very rough in places, but that's really to be expected. Last night I had a witch hunter bug that let me shoot a bullet, which would crawl out of the gun at about 2mph. I was able to run around it front and watch it pass through me. If I'd had a /matrix emote I'd have died a happy man

Bugs are fine, i expect and understand bugs, but animations at this stage should be complete and polished. You don't release a game with the character you choose moving like a robot, unless its a robot game.

Still, I think it's got enough going for it that it will start off well, and gradually build up a massive following. Provided the devs are quick enough at fixing things, of course. That's the big IF.

I agree with you here. The devs need to react stupidly fast to finish the polish and fluidity to make the most out of the launch. Most players will during the free trial period leave the game based on the 1-10 levelling experience then any other stage.

 

[Adsta]

lets get to figures.
WoW has ~11mill subscribers.
War has a fanbase still in beta will be release to retail on the 18th atm theres prob ~100k maybe more beta keys. (all of these may not be used)

Ok now some of these ~100k that is playing beta might have a WoW account.

But lets be releastic 11mil viewers cant be wrong can they ? even if they are they are not all going to jump ship to a brand new game that is yet to be established.

In conclusion WoW is never going to be beaten by any game, until blizz kill the servers which lets be honest isnt going to happen anytime soon.

I'm not sticking up for blizz or a "wow/blizz fanboi" just merely pointing out the obvious. So all those asking is it a WoW killer ? Well simple answer is no just look and the numbers and think about that question for a moment before you ask it again.

My personal opinion il be playing both il prob play WAR up until wotlk is out then play between the two. I might cancel my WAR if i get bored I might cancel my WoW if i get bored of that. Only time will tell

 

[Tombstone]

No offence intended by this, but i'm pretty sure 80% of most gamers never bother reading the manual. The game needs to explain what to do and at the moment it doesn't.

Well I dont know what to say, I am by no means a genius but I havent had any trouble working stuff out. Its been largely self explanatory. I could see that maybe someone new to MMOs might have troubles though, but really many of the game aspects are similar to a multitude of other MMOs. Cant honestly say I have got stuck baffled by anything.

So true, but unlimited health and huge damage at level 8 is a little excessive.

He doesnt actually have unlimited health, it just seems that way. Much as how an unarmoured guy with a butter knife would believe that an armoured knight with a broadsword seems invincible. Just as in real life, the trick to taking down something bigger than you is teamwork, though I notice in your earlier post you are playing guildless and solo virtually all the time, so I can understand how it would seem that way.

 

[SS-89]

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I think you need to realise that this game was never intended for 1v1 pvp, each class has their weaknesses and when grouped up bring their own advantages. If a BW gets the jump on me 1v1 Im near enough dead (Chosen) however I find WP very easy in comparison.

At top level I'd assume that there would be more balance considering you won't have the level imbalance but that's to be expected at the lower levels.

With regards polish...well tbh I doubt I've ever seen an mmo released with super polish (well except Lotro but that was extremely dull imo) especially one with the scale of warhammer online. Polish comes with time, Wow wasn't polished on release it took a fair bit of time as you would expect.

 

[Teki187]

In conclusion WoW is never going to be beaten by any game, until blizz kill the servers which lets be honest isnt going to happen anytime soon.

Thats not true. UO was nearly destroyed by EQ when it launched. Ask anyone on a wow server and they'll tell you, there ready for a new mmo. There just isnt one that compares to WoW at the moment.

I'm not sticking up for blizz or a "wow/blizz fanboi" just merely pointing out the obvious. So all those asking is it a WoW killer ? Well simple answer is no just look and the number and think about that question for a moment before you ask it again.

Since WoW was released this is the ONLY game that has the sheer amount of potential to surpase and move 10million people from WoW. In its current state, it'll be another LOTRO.

My personal opinion il be playing both il prob play WAR up until wotlk is out then play between the two. I might cancel my WAR if i get bored I might cancel my WoW if i get bored of that. Only time will tell [/quote]

 

[misterjingo]

Thats not true. UO was nearly destroyed by EQ when it launched. Ask anyone on a wow server and they'll tell you, there ready for a new mmo. There just isnt one that compares to WoW at the moment.

I was quite deep into the UO scene at the time and the only reason EQ made such an initial impact on it was because it was really the first accessible 3D MMO. It offered something that UO couldn't in terms of unique gameplay due to being 3d. If it wasn't for this, I really don't think it would have made much of an impact

 

[apatia77]

lets get to figures.
WoW has ~11mill subscribers.
War has a fanbase still in beta will be release to retail on the 18th atm theres prob ~100k maybe more beta keys. (all of these may not be used)

Ok now some of these ~100k that is playing beta might have a WoW account.

But lets be releastic 11mil viewers cant be wrong can they ? even if they are they are not all going to jump ship to a brand new game that is yet to be established.

In conclusion WoW is never going to be beaten by any game, until blizz kill the servers which lets be honest isnt going to happen anytime soon.

I'm not sticking up for blizz or a "wow/blizz fanboi" just merely pointing out the obvious. So all those asking is it a WoW killer ? Well simple answer is no just look and the numbers and think about that question for a moment before you ask it again.

My personal opinion il be playing both il prob play WAR up until wotlk is out then play between the two. I might cancel my WAR if i get bored I might cancel my WoW if i get bored of that. Only time will tell

That is very true, even if WAR was a better game WoW will always have more players. Also remember that WoW will probably always have more content that WAR could possibly have in the future.

I will give WAR a try and if i like it i will play it until i get bored of it or until WOTL is realised even though i promised myself not to go back to WoW.