Why bother locking these people up...

aproctor said:
One thing that gets me is, why do they download? I look at porn when the need arises but i don't download it.
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As far as i'm aware, simply looking at porn is also considered a download as it saves itself as a cached file on your PC. That's why in some cases the numbers are astronomical, they probably don't 'save' that many pictures but when the police scan you hard drive they can bring up years of web surfing and hence the high numbers.

Also the police consider you downloading a porn picture the same as you taking the original picture itself. In law there's no difference
 
Anyone who specifically states in writing or any other medium that could be conceived as evidence that they want children for the sole reason that they can abuse them deserves to at least be locked up for the rest of their natural lives. That he had thousands of the worst paedo pics known to man on his compute shows beyond doubt that he's serious, and his freedom puts children at risk.
 
IIRC, the state of California had good results with a trial programme of voluntary chemical castration for child sex offenders, with some likening it to being set free from an addicition that had taken over their lives, much as in the case of drug addicts. Also, it was a better option for the state as well, as it removed the threat to children these men represented without the constant expense of paying for their imprisonment at the rate of about $30,000 a year.
 
Moses we're not talking about someone owning a knife in his kitchen and saying "I'm going to kill someone" as an off-handed comment. We're talking about a man with a ton of obscene, horrific child porn images on his computer saying that he wants to have a child for the sole reason to to abuse. Psychologically that is on another level entirely... and preventative steps must be taken to protect children from people like this. The pictures themselves are highly illegal, and you must assume that if a man is taking the steps to download such vast quantities of this material, then he has to be taken seriously when he says such twisted and demented things as he has done. Waiting for a child to be abused is too late, and imo monsters like that have to be off the streets as soon as a clear risk like that has been assessed.
 
I assumed he said those things to cause offense and to show he doesn't have remorse for his crimes. I don't think he meant it seriously.

That's not to say I wouldn't still put a Black and Decker though his kneecaps though. :o)
 
Moses99p said:
Oh I agree he's a very dodgy individual, and I'd be happy with him being locked up for a long time... but there's a big difference between being willing to look at child pornography and being willing to physically abuse a child.
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And yet the two are inextricably linked, and often follow on from each-other or go hand-in-hand. Do you err on the side of caution, or be lenient and put children at unecessary risk?

Moses99p said:
I thought he said those things to other people on the internet... not in the court room...
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Yes, which is why it should be taken seriously...
 
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Ah, didn't read it properly. Still not sure if he meant it seriously though. But should be taken seriously of course.
 
the dirty pervert definitely deserves to die , infact he should be killed twice ...to death!



seriously though the guy is weirdo but the only crime he has committed is to look at indecent images, that does in no way = death penalty

and I dont think people can be charged with "maybe, possibly could do something in the future"
 
JBuk said:
and I dont think people can be charged with "maybe, possibly could do something in the future"
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You've never heard of people being: "charged with intent to commit"? Guess we should go tell all those people who've been charged with intent to commit murder and terrorism that they can go free again.
 
Richdog said:
You've never heard of people being: "charged with intent to commit"? Guess we should go tell all those people who've been charged with intent to commit murder and terrorism that they can go free again.
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saying something and having real intent are different things, if the police had evidence he did infact intend to commit those crimes he would have been charged accordingly
 
That's got to be a massive shock to his partner! Poor girl. :(

So, how did he get caught exactly? Did he post those comments on public forums or something? Don't think it mentions it in the article, but I'll have a re-read.
 
Moses99p said:
No, that's why it shouldn't be taken so seriously. He was talking **** because he was on the internet, in a chatroom with like minded people, it was an internet fantasy.
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In the same that most internet-based paedo rings are pure fantasy? Id wager you ask any policeman working this case how seriously they take comments like that and they won't say "nah not seriously at all, it's just the internet and he was just bragging to other paedos".
 
Richdog said:
You've never heard of people being: "charged with intent to commit"? Guess we should go tell all those people who've been charged with intent to commit murder and terrorism that they can go free again.
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You need far far more proof than this to get an intent/conspiracy charge.
 
Richdog said:
I know, i'm just saying that the seriousness of stuff like this can't be downplayed... and it could easily lead to other things.
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Yes but you can't

Anyone who specifically states in writing or any other medium that could be conceived as evidence that they want children for the sole reason that they can abuse them deserves to at least be locked up for the rest of their natural lives.
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lock him for the rest of his natural life, for saying that.

That kind of justice system would be insane.
 
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