2008 Italian GP - Race 14/18

TheStig1 · 13 Sep 2008 at 14:33

LH: Well, that's his driving, that's all. That is how he drives. If you don't have the balls to brake late then that is your problem! At the end of the day, in those situations it is the driver who can feel the grip more and put the car more on the edge. And I know I am great in those conditions. I felt the grip more than him, I knew where to place my car and I did place it in different positions to him and I found the grip.

oh dear lewis lol

PinkFloyd · 13 Sep 2008 at 14:34

I Missed qualification. Are there any highlights up?

Lakeland · 13 Sep 2008 at 14:34

NeilMick said:
How the **** did Mark Blundell get a job on ITV, his use of English is atrocious!

Cavallino · 13 Sep 2008 at 14:38

TheStig1 said:
oh dear lewis lol

Haha so pwned

Cavallino · 13 Sep 2008 at 14:54

JRS.... come on... we know you're watching the thread and itching to post something...

You too sunama.... come on guys you cant hide

Psycho Ned · 13 Sep 2008 at 15:09

Lol had a safety car start in the GP2 race the minute he pulled off they had a 3 car pile up on the first corner!!

JUMPURS · 13 Sep 2008 at 15:42

TheStig1 said:
oh dear lewis lol

I knew that was going to come back and bite him on the **** when i read it.

psychas · 13 Sep 2008 at 15:46

good qualifying go Masa

pity for lewis you would think living by living in uk you would learn driving in the rain

ScottehBotteh · 13 Sep 2008 at 15:58

TheStig1 said:
oh dear lewis lol

He set the second fastest time in session 1 but messed up session 2. It was a strategic error that cost him, not a driving one. He could have set a faster time in session 2 but missed the prime window after which no one improved their time significantly.

Looking forward to tomorrow,it should be fun. Abit of rain will liven it up more

JUMPURS · 13 Sep 2008 at 16:02

ScottehBotteh said:
He set the second fastest time in session 1 but messed up session 2. It was a strategic error that cost him, not a driving one. He could have set a faster time in session 2 but missed the prime window after which no one improved their time significantly.

Looking forward to tomorrow,it should be fun. Abit of rain will liven it up more

He was 2 seconds a lap slower than other cars at the same time. Sounds like not having the balls to me

Mad_Jay · 13 Sep 2008 at 16:04

Di Grassi wins the Gp2 feature race, and Pantano wins the Gp2 2008 championship!

Fbmw next, roll on the n00bness

Cavallino · 13 Sep 2008 at 16:07

JUMPURS said:
He was 2 seconds a lap slower than other cars at the same time. Sounds like not having the balls to me

Truth. Massa set his lap to get him into the top 10 on the same lap as Hamilton was struggling.

I think once again Massa has been underestimated in the wet. Ill ask you...

From the top 3 guys (i.e. LH, KR and FM) who spun their cars during quals?

LH and KR. Massa only went off track but didnt actually do a full 360 like LH and KR.

(The same is true for Spa as well).

ci_newman · 13 Sep 2008 at 16:26

Cavallino said:
Truth. Massa set his lap to get him into the top 10 on the same lap as Hamilton was struggling.

I think once again Massa has been underestimated in the wet. Ill ask you...

From the top 3 guys (i.e. LH, KR and FM) who spun their cars during quals?

LH and KR. Massa only went off track but didnt actually do a full 360 like LH and KR.

(The same is true for Spa as well).

Need I mention Silverstone for Massa?

Duke · 13 Sep 2008 at 16:26

Well done to Vettel

Wet or dry I think tomorrow will be interesting.

btw thanks Mad_Jay for spoiling the GP2 results! :/

ScottehBotteh · 13 Sep 2008 at 16:27

Cavallino said:
From the top 3 guys (i.e. LH, KR and FM) who spun their cars during quals?

(The same is true for Spa as well).

Massa spun 5 times at Silverstone.

Cavallino · 13 Sep 2008 at 16:28

ci_newman said:
Need I mention Silverstone for Massa?

Need I mention that Hamilton has been off/crashed in 3 wet races as opposed to 1 wet race of Massas?

gord · 13 Sep 2008 at 16:52

Cavallino said:
Need I mention that Hamilton has been off/crashed in 3 wet races as opposed to 1 wet race of Massas?

Yeh, but 5 times in one race..

Lets face it the title of "rain master" is a fickle one, is it not? From race to race you will have drivers who feel more attuned/hooked up to the track in the wet. I just think that Hamilton's strategic mistake of which he would have had some say in, not only cost him the window of opportunity as it did Kimi, but also cost him some confidence. He got less laps on the proper tyres and the weather just didnt want to improve. If KR and Massa were streets ahead I would say it was poor driving, but the quality of the drivers from past performance and their relative positions in Q2 are evidence enough. Still, it makes for an interesting grid with Massa in a prime position it seems, but if its wet we all know anything can, and probably will, happen.

Hats off to Massa though, really didnt think he could hook it up in the wet, and he was obviously only just squeezed into the top 10 but going by his Silverstone performance I wouldnt have put him in the top 20.

JRS · 13 Sep 2008 at 16:53

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee.....that wasn't exactly in the script, was it?

I only saw Q3 (it was a toss-up between watching the whole of qually and going to the pub, and the pub won out), so maybe I missed the crucial moment that would have explained just why McLaren and Hamilton thought inters were a great idea - was it the right call and Hamilton was unlucky, or was it just boneheaded?

No matter - it's done now. Hope he doesn't get over-optimistic going into T1 tomorrow and end his race early. With Alonso ahead of him on the track....the pair are more than capable of getting into a spat over the same piece of real estate.

realscot · 13 Sep 2008 at 16:59

gord said:
If KR and Massa were streets ahead I would say it was poor driving

Kimi may only be 1 position ahead of lewis, but wasnt he like 1.4seconds ahead? iirc hamilton was last by a considerable margin. And Massa did set the 10th fastest time at the same time Hamilton was out there trying to get a lap in. So you'd have to conclude Hamilton is no rain master either, that title has to go to Vettel, he has consistantly shown he can be up there at the top when track conditions are difficult and the speed of the car matters less. Doesn't he have 3 quickest quali sessions in the last 3 races?

Cavallino · 13 Sep 2008 at 17:01

JRS said:
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee.....that wasn't exactly in the script, was it?

I only saw Q3 (it was a toss-up between watching the whole of qually and going to the pub, and the pub won out), so maybe I missed the crucial moment that would have explained just why McLaren and Hamilton thought inters were a great idea - was it the right call and Hamilton was unlucky, or was it just boneheaded?

No matter - it's done now. Hope he doesn't get over-optimistic going into T1 tomorrow and end his race early. With Alonso ahead of him on the track....the pair are more than capable of getting into a spat over the same piece of real estate.

Assuming he gets past KR

I can see it now... Alonso will let KR through but will make LH life hell

CANNOT wait for tomorrow.

Just something to think about here folks...

IF and I emphasise IF, Massa were to win tomorrow and Hamilton were to get say... P6? that would be a difference of what.. 7 points? Which basically wouldve brought Massa into contention had it not been for the penalty at Spa.

Thats a big IF