(Fox) Thinking of a Bmw .. My options ?

[TW]Fox;12530737 said:
6-7k buys a better 5 than it does a 3 imho especially if you want a nice one. I would want to spend more if buying a 3.

Absolutely, and it also buys a better car imo, the e39 & e46 are just not screwed together the same way.

Sorry OP, but for a weekend toy, why buy what to everybody else is a weekday everyday car?

Great as undoubtedly the e39 & e46 BMW are, theres only a very select few of them that would warrant such a title.

If your serious about a "Weekend Toy" and you really want to get something from it then do it properly. Buy a proper toy. If that means having to wait a little longer to build up extra funding,just in case something goes pop, then you'd be wise to do so, sure.

£10k buys decent useable examples of the only e39 or e46 imo anybody wanting a serious "Toy" should consider for such a purpose.


Such cars are just too good and potentially expensive to run everyday for the vast majority of us, but, as a second car then theres little that comes close to either.



The Touring was LHD only, which is a shame, and probably strikes it out of serious consideration for most. ;) :D :)
 
Absolutely, and it also buys a better car imo, the e39 & e46 are just not screwed together the same way.

Sorry OP, but for a weekend toy, why buy what to everybody else is a weekday everyday car?

I dont think he wants a toy so much as a weekend car - he's said he wants to cover long distances in it etc.
 
[TW]Fox;12530018 said:
ex demo? Lol perhaps 100k ago. You cant judge a cars condition from an autotrader ad.

The fact there cars are at the bottom of the market gives an indication of their condition. My advice remains the same. It is up to the op whose opinion he trusts although judging by that Couger of yours buying good used cars is not your forte?

You failed to answer my question, instead you chose to contradict yourself, either you can tell that cars are shabby from an ad, or you can't tell. The price is irrelevant, esp. when the comparable BMW approved used car price is only 2-3k higher.

I asked about your opinion on why you think they are shabby, but you did not reply to this.

An indication of his level of BMW knowledge

You don't make any spelling mistakes?

He implied my advice was wrong, i explained why it was not, he kept going despite not really knowing. He did not make a suggestion, read his post, he replied to me not the op

I will follow up Tom's question - what are you on about? I asked why you didn't include E60/E90s, when I didn't understand your reply I pointed out why I thought my suggestion was not as off the track as you made it out to be, at which point you blew your lid with the above reply.

Doesn't recommending BMWs get you banned on here now?

Any who, what's with the immediate slagging of at Fox any time he tries to provide meaningful well supported advice? Yes, he knows way to much about BMWs to be considered 'normal', but whether this knowledge is gained through a passionate interest and joy of cars, or through being exceptionally anal (I suspect a bit of both) his comments are well written, (almost) totally impartial and well supported. Im all for a bit of banter and poking fun at people when they are openly a little stupid, but Its getting annoying when someone asks a serious question and someone else who has more knowledge on the subject than an entire dealership of salesmen provides exceptional advice that they are automatically put down by the nearest loud mouth who thinks their one time experience or that their friends brothers mates car purchase can provide a better reasoning for a clearly pointless and irrelevant suggestion.

"OMG get a 150K E90 SE ex demo cos its well cheap cos Fox dont know ****" is not an educated answer.

What a load of rubbish, no one has done this in this thread. I tried to make a suggestion, and on asking why I was wrong, Fox decided to lower the tone; which is still fine as he may have misread/misunderstood my intentions, but your antagonistic reply has nothing to do with what is going on in this thread.

Has it entered your head at all that his comprehensive knowledge might be the reason for my probing, as it would help me and other people understand some things about BMWs better?

I am perplexed that, instead of making a sensible retort and showing me the error of my thinking, Fox decided to turn hostile. As it stands, I still think my suggestions warrant merit, albeit the OP has stated that he wasn't that interested?
 
Has it entered your head at all that his comprehensive knowledge might be the reason for my probing, as it would help me and other people understand some things about BMWs better?

That was NOT your motive and you know it. It's obvious from the way you worded it you were trying to say why would anyone be interested in an E46, I mean, LOL, thats E90 money. If thats not what you meant then you phrased it badly because thats certainly how it came across to me. Regardless, I ignored the first quip and replied in a civil manner and answered the question politely - and explained why I was talking about E46's.

However, your reply to my answer asked no questions at all, it was you attempting to prove me 'wrong' using Autotrader adverts linking to cars of unknown condition which don't meet the OP's criteria. Don't play the 'But I was only asking!' card, you were trying to make a point, but failed.

He wants a good condition Sport model, which doesn't exist at this price point. All that exists are the bottom end of the market base models in varying states of condition. You can't tell a minter from an auto trader advert but you can make an educated guess as to the chances of it being nice based on its price.

I mean honestly, what do you think the chances of a 3 year old 320d with less than 100k being a really nice example? It's nearly a third of its new price after just 3 years. Sure, they depreciated. but not THAT heavily unless something isnt quite right.
 
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i just love it how everyone takes what Fox says about BMWs as gospel....a student who's only owned one BMW

Couple of things:

1) what does him being a student have to do with anything?
2) how many BMWs does he need to own before he can give his opinion on them, then? Two? Ten?

Lord knows I'm far from being a member of the [TW]Fox fanclub, but the way some of you go after him just borders on the obsessive and bizarre....
 
Everyone knows students are thick and stupid. If I had a full time job in an office my opinion would hold considerably more weight.
 
[TW]Fox;12535300 said:
That was NOT your motive and you know it. It's obvious from the way you worded it you were trying to say why would anyone be interested in an E46, I mean, LOL, thats E90 money. If thats not what you meant then you phrased it badly because thats certainly how it came across to me. Regardless, I ignored the first quip and replied in a civil manner and answered the question politely - and explained why I was talking about E46's.

However, your reply to my answer asked no questions at all, it was you attempting to prove me 'wrong' using Autotrader adverts linking to cars of unknown condition which don't meet the OP's criteria. Don't play the 'But I was only asking!' card, you were trying to make a point, but failed.

He wants a good condition Sport model, which doesn't exist at this price point. All that exists are the bottom end of the market base models in varying states of condition. You can't tell a minter from an auto trader advert but you can make an educated guess as to the chances of it being nice based on its price.

I mean honestly, what do you think the chances of a 3 year old 320d with less than 100k being a really nice example? It's nearly a third of its new price after just 3 years. Sure, they depreciated. but not THAT heavily unless something isnt quite right.

Yes Fox, I took the time to look to try and show you up, not to understand why my choice/suggestions might be foolish. Showing you up is a much better use of my time than trying to understand why these may not be a bargain.

I know it must suck if you get unwarranted stick from ppl all the time, but that doesn't mean that a snappy/slightly less polite is automatically meant to be stick.
 
I was perfectly polite the first time though. It's only when you continued to labour the point that I figured it was probably yet another thread derailment attempt ;)
 
[TW]Fox;12536284 said:
I was perfectly polite the first time though. It's only when you continued to labour the point that I figured it was probably yet another thread derailment attempt ;)

Yes you were, and I was not - and that's probably the source of the misunderstanding.
 
I would have the 5 series over the 3 anyday.

I had a 530i about two years ago and what a car. Very powerful, reliable, well built, economical for its size with tidy handling and good comfort.

I struggle to fault it really except it lacked charisma. It's the sort of car you can park in a car park and the look of it does nothing to tell people just how good it is unless your a real BMW nut.

First class car other than that.
 
i just love it how everyone takes what Fox says about BMWs as gospel....a student who's only owned one BMW

Well he does own an E39 530i sport,one of his parents has/had an E39 530d se( i think) and now have a Z4. He's also driven the 1 and the new 3 series as far as i know.

I don't see the problem with fox...other people create the problem.
 
Well he does own an E39 530i sport,one of his parents has/had an E39 530d se( i think) and now have a Z4. He's also driven the 1 and the new 3 series as far as i know.

I don't see the problem with fox...other people create the problem.

His knowledge seems excellent on the 5 series. However there is a world of difference between test driving a car/reading the press to owning one.

Still it was his opinion not designed to be Gospel truth about the ins and outs of every model.

Why is everybody so hyped up in these threads?
 
His knowledge seems excellent on the 5 series. However there is a world of difference between test driving a car/reading the press to owning one.

Good job I own a 5 Series and look after another, then, isn't it? :confused:

I often wonder if its worth putting as much effort as I do into replies to threads like this. The resultant hassle gets tedious.
 
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[TW]Fox;12537201 said:
Good job I own a 5 Series and look after another, then, isn't it? :confused:


Chill out, it was a compliment with the 5 series and Z4. I was refering to the 1 and 3 series that apparently you have driven?

All I am saying is that you will defiantly get a feel for a car on a drive. But to get totally acqainted with a car takes awhile. Or don't you agree?
 
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