5Dii (for real this time)

Darren555 said:
Surely though there would be a large market for the pros who want a compact back up body with similar AF and FPS rates & features.
The D700 delivers that. The Canon misses that market by a mile.
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?? Sounds like clutching at straws to me.
A pro would most probably want the vertical grip. I've compared a compact body with an attached grip to a full on pro camera body. The attached grip will simply never feel as comfortable, and in the pro market that's going to be a serious consideration.
For a pro that wants the AF and FPS, the 1Dmk3 really does take a lot of beating. Go read up on it's picture quality, it's meant to be the dogs nuts despite not being FF.
 
Mr_Sukebe said:
?? Sounds like clutching at straws to me.
A pro would most probably want the vertical grip. I've compared a compact body with an attached grip to a full on pro camera body. The attached grip will simply never feel as comfortable, and in the pro market that's going to be a serious consideration.
For a pro that wants the AF and FPS, the 1Dmk3 really does take a lot of beating. Go read up on it's picture quality, it's meant to be the dogs nuts despite not being FF.
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Most professionals I know have switched from Canon to Nikon, opting for the D3 and D700 or D300 as backup, over anything Canon have to offer at the moment.
 
PiKe said:
What the hell are Canon playing at? The 5D MKII matches our 1DS MKIII in terms of megapixels and surpasses it in terms on senstivity for under half the price! :mad:
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I don't think it does really, the 1Ds has full weather sealing, more fps, far more focus points which all makes a big difference if you need that kind of camera. It's not just pixel counts that matter.
 
As an owner of the other two full frame bodies, I was keen to compare.

Here are the things that I care about (at least a bit)

Things that the 5D II has that the 5D doesn't:

More pixels
AF Microadjust
2 stops more ISO (before going to H and H2)
3.9 rather than 3.0 fps
Some weatherproofing resistance.
Dust management

The 5DII encroaches on the 1DsIII space, but the 1DsIII still has these advantages:

Better AF sensitivity
AF-ON button
Vertical grip
Better battery life
A glorious 5 fps shutter.
Eyepiece shutter
higher x-sync
Better weatherproofing
No stupid print button.

However, the 5DII improves on the 1DsIII with these:

More ISO
Better screen

All in all, although my initial thought was "video - what are they thinking?", the reality is that they have done all I might hope for - more ISO, more fps, dust management, weatherproofing.

When the price comes down a bit, I think I would recommend it.

Andrew
 
PiKe said:
What the hell are Canon playing at? The 5D MKII matches our 1DS MKIII in terms of megapixels and surpasses it in terms on senstivity for under half the price! :mad:
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I am pretty sure 1DS isn't intended for photography hobbyist. They're serious cameras for serious photograhers making a living.

If you're angry then you have clearly bought it for the wrong reason.
 
Gaffer said:
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The 5DII encroaches on the 1DsIII space, but the 1DsIII still has these advantages:

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AF-ON button

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Andrew
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I thought the pics of the 5d showed an AF-on button...
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aztechnology said:
I thought the pics of the 5d showed an AF-on button...
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I stand corrected. That is a very thorough review. I was just looking at the canon spec-list.

I note that the 5DII has the easy-to-jog dioptre adjustment of the 5D, rather than the hidden one of the 1DsIII. I thought I had broken the AF system first time I jogged that...

Andrew
 
barnettgs said:
I am pretty sure 1DS isn't intended for photography hobbyist. They're serious cameras for serious photograhers making a living.

If you're angry then you have clearly bought it for the wrong reason.
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Just as well I'm not a hobbyist then.

I'm angry because as a company, we bought the 1DS MK3 10 months ago, Canon keep making it easier and easier for amateurs to obtain quality. We sell ourselves on quality and with having the 1DS MK3 at £5k that made it outside the hobbyist's grasp, but for a serious business like ours, we were able to justify the outlay to keep ahead of our competition.

Still, saying that, our 1DS MK3 still can't touch Fuji Velvia in terms of resolution, the digital camera is more suited to places that aren't easily accessible with a 5x4 camera slung over your shoulder.
 
Landscape Photography from all over Britain and Ireland.

Sell images for all sorts, main market at the moment is Calendars, and Jigsaws, who require quite large files, Jigsaw's can be quite large when put together.

Really unimpressed by Canon lenses at the moment too, edges drop off in sharpness quite badly.
 
PiKe said:
Just as well I'm not a hobbyist then.

I'm angry because as a company, we bought the 1DS MK3 10 months ago, Canon keep making it easier and easier for amateurs to obtain quality. We sell ourselves on quality and with having the 1DS MK3 at £5k that made it outside the hobbyist's grasp, but for a serious business like ours, we were able to justify the outlay to keep ahead of our competition.
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I am sure the 1Ds MkIIII will be a considerable improvement over both, you could just sell the 1Ds and get the 5D MkII. I'm sure you could recoup some of your 'losses' that way.

As for making it easier for hobbyists to get the best... well isn't that the point of progression? Why reserve it for a tiny niche market when it can be marketed to the masses for higher profit.
 
It's making it ever harder to actually sell pictures, because hobbyists are just happy to see their work published.

The digital revolution for the Photography industry is a complete nightmare, the only thing we've got left to sell ourselves on is quality, and even that is being taken away from us.
 
PiKe said:
It's making it ever harder to actually sell pictures, because hobbyists are just happy to see their work published.

The digital revolution for the Photography industry is a complete nightmare, the only thing we've got left to sell ourselves on is quality, and even that is being taken away from us.
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I always laugh when I see people coming out with lines like this.

If quality is the only thing that sets you aside as a 'professional' then I suggest you take up a different career.
 
olv said:
I always laugh when I see people coming out with lines like this.

If quality is the only thing that sets you aside as a 'professional' then I suggest you take up a different career.
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He has a point though. Many image researchers or buyers would rather skimp a little on picture quality and get their images from naive amateurs that submit to istockphoto etc. and are more than happy to sell a royalty free image for £2.50 just because they appreciate having a published image.

It's damaging to the industry and professional photographers that once relied on stock images for a large part of a steady income. It is the whole reason why agencies like Getty are buying into companies like iStock, so they don't get left behind.
 
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