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4870 1GB Review up!

I'm with James on this one. The card is clearly faster at all resolutions over the 512Mb when it shouldn't be. It should get faster as the resolution/aa increases only.

At the end of the day though, the card is faster for whatever reasons but only shows you need the card at high res and certain games.

I also suspect that its a different bios and/or better memory chips to expalin the difference.
 
As it stands with current games, 1680*1050 resolution is not high enough to make a 512MB 4870 struggle with VRAM, and going to 1GB won't net you any visible improvements.

Isn't that the point though? The review shows the 1Gb does make a difference at 1680 x1050 when it shouldn't?
 
Isn't that the point though? The review shows the 1Gb does make a difference at 1680 x1050 when it shouldn't?

I'm just saying that adding extra RAM to a card (everything else staying the same) will not cause a performance increase in games unless the game requires the extra RAM, regardless of what the benchmarks say. Ghost is saying that he sees the article as proof that it does make a difference, despite 1680*1050 not causing a 512MB card to run out of VRAM.
 
I'm just saying that adding extra RAM to a card (everything else staying the same) will not cause a performance increase in games unless the game requires the extra RAM, regardless of what the benchmarks say. Ghost is saying that he sees the article as proof that it does make a difference, despite 1680*1050 not causing a 512MB card to run out of VRAM.

First of all, ive always used the word evidence so don't manipulate single words to make me look bad. Secondly, no offence but the word of an internet poster with no actual figures vs anandtech, is a pretty simple decision. No fundumental flaws have been mentioned by anyone other than via assumptions.
 
If Anands tests show average fps then couldn't it be that min fps are higher on the 1GB version ? Even games at 1680x1050 can have small blips where 512mb 'chokes' and that would affect the avg fps, even if the blip was for a second or two at a time.

That may explain it being higher accross the board, but im only guessing too.


Im playing through a modded Stalker atm, with high rez texture packs etc, and now and again if i turn quickly in a big area my fps drop considerably for a second till the textures cache. I would love to test a 1gb version to see if that fixes it or not.
 
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There is a second review with the powercolor hd4870 1gb pcs+ card out there compared to a vanilla hd4870. It is clocked 50mhz higher for the clock 6.67% and 100mhz for the RAM 2.78%. The differences are higher than what these small increases suggest (sometimes within margin of error for 1680*1050). It is on a certain review site banned here at ocuk.

They use new games at max settings where possible with 4x AA. They do use 0AF which is annoying. They test 1680*1050 through to 2560*1600, with the effect most pronounced in the latter. With these 2, I think the performance increase across the board is most probably due to the 1GB RAM.
 
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Another review here, albeit the PCS variant with increased core and memory clocks with better cooler

http://hothardware.com/Articles/PowerColor-PCS-HD-4870-1GB-GDDR5/?page=1

Even with this improved model theres no mention of any memory timings having been tweaked or known to the tester, however in this test any fps improvements can now be attributed to a combo of core and memory overclocks as well as the extra memory

The 1Gb still isn't much faster than the 512Mb here and it's likely the core and memory clocks are responsible for any performance increase moreso than the extra 512Mb memory

Further overclcocks applied by the tester give no extra fps either
 
If Anands tests show average fps then couldn't it be that min fps are higher on the 1GB version ? Even games at 1680x1050 can have small blips where 512mb 'chokes' and that would affect the avg fps, even if the blip was for a second or two at a time.

That may explain it being higher accross the board, but im only guessing too.

Yes that could be why average fps is higher, but thats a good thing either way right? We shouldnt be looking at max fps all the time. Also, the chokes will have to be more than a second or 2 at a time since the benchmarks should be long enough to alleviate problems of minor chokes which arent systemic (for example try the crysis benchmark and create a small choke by switching in and out of full screen and the effect should be minor). I would also hope they don't simply bench once per setting.

And ten80p has given a 3rd review. Thank you.

edit: the hotwhardware review doesnt seem to show a memory advantage actually other than in quake wars. But the *exus review does with different games.
 
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First of all, ive always used the word evidence so don't manipulate single words to make me look bad.

I wasn't trying to make you look bad and I never said you directly used the work "proof"... I was talking about your intent. Phew, you sure do like to misintepret things.

Secondly, no offence but the word of an internet poster with no actual figures vs anandtech, is a pretty simple decision. No fundumental flaws have been mentioned by anyone other than via assumptions.
No offence taken, I have nothing to prove to you, no reason to lie, and to be honest you can believe what you like and I won't argue the point any further.

There is a second review with the powercolor hd4870 1gb pcs+ card out there compared to a vanilla hd4870. It is clocked 50mhz higher for the clock 6.67% and 100mhz for the RAM 2.78%. The differences are higher than what these small increases suggest. It is on a certain review site banned here at ocuk.

They use new games at max settings where possible with 4x AA. They do use 0AF which is annoying. They test 1680*1050 through to 25600*1600, with the effect most pronounced in the latter.

I OC'd my 1GB 4870 card to the speeds of the one in that review and the gains were very similar to the gains shown there in COD4, Mass Effect etc.
 
I wasn't trying to make you look bad and I never said you directly used the work "proof"... I was talking about your intent. Phew, you sure do like to misintepret things.

Well its a pretty strong word to use.

No offence taken, I have nothing to prove to you, no reason to lie, and to be honest you can believe what you like and I won't argue the point any further.

Indeed, if I was you i'd give the same response.

I OC'd my 1GB 4870 card to the speeds of the one in that review and the gains were very similar to the gains shown there in COD4, Mass Effect etc.

Fair enough. But again same problem as before which leads to the 2nd portion of this post.

I'le be gaming at 1680*1050 i want the Toxic Sapphire 4870 but should I get a 1gb version instead?.

Read this thread and decide :p. Arguments both ways. Also read the anandtech article fully.
 
As I said, unlike me who got bored and went for a X2 a couple days ago, I would NOT buy anything for a few weeks, wait for more reviews, and wait for internet reports from the usual suspect sites, xtreme and others. Different memory brands will almost always have different timings as they try to offer better products than the others. They might be significant or not but often a controller has been tuned/designed for a specific flow of data and slight timing differences can have a massive effect. The timings aren't widely known, sometimes ati tool or the like will be updated to be able to read them, sometimes the data specs on the ram chips will be found online somewhere and timings found, though that doesn't really specifically identify what they have to be run at, though they often won't be out of range of design specs.

But the point is, in 3 weeks we might all find out that all new 512mb cards have the newer faster memory chips, or an incredibly slight tweak to the core mem controller, or a new pcb layout which gives identical performance to the "new" 1gb cards and find the 512mb cards are coming in £30-40 cheaper than the 1gb for identical performance. Its as simple as that.

As I've now said repeatedly, a good review site would have commented on what I have here, they would have mentioned the performance increase across resolutions not including those limited by frame buffer, but they ignored all of it, completely. its a very bare review that doesn't draw any deep conclusions from the numbers they themselves freaking got. The conclusion ignores half of their own findings, so it IS a bad review no matter if you like that or not.


The other "evidence" of this is fairly simple. You can make an X2 card run as one gpu, you can run it with just 1gb of memory. It does NOT perform the same as this "new" 4780 1GB card. The X2 doesn't show that same performance increase over the normal 4870, so the 1GB itself did NOT increase performance in the same way across all resolutions. WHich yet again is another indication that the 1GB is not at all responsible for the card being better, in anything except Grid at a resolution less than 1% of the forum can use.

hold your horses, wait a month and maybe save £40, and maybe £80 on a CF setup if we find out the 512mb's can be just as fast with new mem, new bios, new settings or something else.


PS the 512mb vs 256mb links you put up aren't identically clocked cards on either core or memory so you wouldn't expect more "inline" performance anyway, but when the resolution/memory size becomes an issue there is a large drop in performance. For instance Crysis even at low res is crap on the 256, and at medium res even the 512mb card drops down and is over run. Quake wars, without AA you get the exactly as assumed massive drop in performance, then with 4xaa both cards are running low on framebuffer throughout, but due to AA relying heavily on memory speed the 512mb with the faster memory (1/8ghz vs 1.6Ghz) remains a similar way ahead throughout.
 
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If you are going to get a 4870 I say go for the 1gb version. Its not much more money and even if the extra 512mb vram is not much beneficial today, it will be in the near future. So why not pay the little bit extra?
 
Does anyone here have one of these? Or anyone had a 512mb and now a 1gb?

Also anyone know if these are identical in size to the 512mb ones?
 
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