When is it ok to drive at 104mph on a country lane?

Yeah your right, doesnt matter so long as its no one I know is killed, anyone else pft....

might take on a slightly different picture if you're travelling at 60 with cop car going at 100 on the wrong side of the road, but hey like you say they are just training

He was on the wrong side of the road, where does it say that?
 
[TW]Fox;12582165 said:
It was a training excercise. If you dont train people to drive at 100mph down country lanes how do you expect them to do it confidently when it IS an emergency?

Accidents happen I guess..... although I don't think relatives would appreciate that "oh it was an accident, they were training"

[TW]Fox;12582197 said:
So the Impreza full of armed robbers hits a country lane, floors it.. the police should leave them to it?

Then what happens when it becomes common knowledge that if you are fleeing the police following armed robbery, as long as you find a country lane they'll abandon the pursuit?

tbh, they should give up :p them in their Volvo or armed robber in Impreza?

My moneys on the robbers.
 
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Round and round we go. What if there is no chopper, then what?... Let them get away?

In my view it should depend on the circumstances, if its one of those cases where someone was doing 40 in 30 and went off on one and tried to outrun the police then maybe yes. If its armed robbers or someone who just murdered someone etc. then no.

Remember we are talking about country lanes so being able to outrun someone going NSL isn't exactly easy, also its not like most country lanes have a million different turn-offs like a housing estate.
 
There is no statement that directly accuses him of driving at 104mph at the time of the accident. Let the trial decide a fair outcome and forget the Daily Mail type sensationalist headlines.
 
In my view it should depend on the circumstances, if its one of those cases where someone was doing 40 in 30 and went off on one and tried to outrun the police then maybe yes. If its armed robbers or someone who just murdered someone etc. then no.

Funnily enough they already do that - even so, this was a training excercise - they were being trained for the times when it WAS neccesary.
 
He probably lives in a rented property. And we all know that previous discussion has proved a direct correlation between poor driving and renting...
 
[TW]Fox;12582279 said:
Funnily enough they already do that - even so, this was a training excercise - they were being trained for the times when it WAS neccesary.

Try telling his wife that. "Sorry missus we killed your husband but it was neccesary honest"
 
[TW]Fox;12582279 said:
they were being trained for the times when it WAS neccesary.

I'd have hoped they doing training exercises like that on either closed roads or private ones.

Its not as if when you have to do DR testing in IT you actually down the site in the name of testing, you do it in a test environment!
 
Try telling his wife that. "Sorry missus we killed your husband but it was neccesary honest"

You can't rationalise things where victims families involved - the situation they are put in means they will make irrational demands. Look at some of the crap thats come out of 'victims groups' of rail crashes for an example of what happens when you mix serious things with people who are emotionally involved.

Guess what, driving around in metal boxes is not 100% safe. It never will be. It is ALWAYS going to have an element in risk. Life is not safe. I fully expect the next reply will be 'WHAT IF IT WAS YOUR FAMILY'. If it was my family, I would spend the next 10 years campagining against all forms of police car chases, but my protestations would be irrational and ill informed becuase I'd be no longer capable of being objective about it becuase my emotional involvement would be too high.

I'd have hoped they doing training exercises like that on either closed roads or private ones.

Closed roads with traffic etc etc? Yea, great. If its being done in a simulated environment it's not the real thing and the training has less value.

Life is dangerous. Bad thing happen. We can try to minimise bad things, but we'll never get rid of them and people who expect we should are deluded.
 
I'd have hoped they doing training exercises like that on either closed roads or private ones.

Its not as if when you have to do DR testing in IT you actually down the site in the name of testing, you do it in a test environment!

The police won't be driving in a test environment though when they're on their way to calls or pursuing suspects, so unless they spend vast amounts of money creating an entire road network that mimics real roads, their options are limited.
 
[TW]Fox;12582197 said:
So the Impreza full of armed robbers hits a country lane, floors it.. the police should leave them to it?

Then what happens when it becomes common knowledge that if you are fleeing the police following armed robbery, as long as you find a country lane they'll abandon the pursuit?

No, chances are the robbers will not be able to safely drive through the lanes at speed - a crash is probably likely. Lots of the lanes I drive round near me cannot be taken safely a anything over 50 because you just cant see whats coming. Obviously on the straight bits speed can be gained, but the corners are often blind and unless you are superman you cant see round them.

Police drivers can be trained all they like, but they cant do everything. As previously posted, training should really be undertaken on closed roads as by its very nature, training involves untrained drivers learning new skills and putting them into practice. They will only have been told what to do if they come across a car in front of them, and never have had to put it into practice. Why should osme innocent memeber of the public be put at risk by an untrained copper doing silly speeds when its not even an emergency?

The police get away with far too many driving offences due passing them off aas "training"
 
if their going to be doing training on country roads at that speed should they not close the road first?

It is a tricky one, but assuming they have to regularly train down these roads, which is very dangerous for them and the public, it would seem an almost unnecessary risk if they did this 100 times for every 1 time they chased said 'robbers'..

Then what aspect of a country road is so unique that it falls outside normal 'training' parameters?

I can see both sides, but would err on the side of caution and say reckless training down public country roads is too risky and they should find closed off roads to do it on..
 
Although it was a 'country road' it had white lines down the middle and wasn't the sort of road most of you think it was, was it?
 
Oh the hypocrisy!

Time after time people on here talk about how good a driver they are and how they drive over the speed limit because the limit in their opinion the limit is not correct and thus it is safe to drive faster.
 
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[TW]Fox;12582519 said:
Although it was a 'country road' it had white lines down the middle and wasn't the sort of road most of you think it was, was it?

Looking at Google maps it doesn't look like what I would class as a proper country road. It doesn't look that tight.
 
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