2008 Singapore GP - Race 15/18

Spunkey said:
The bad:
No Ted Kravitz
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How is that bad? Ted has to be corrected by James Allen every single race :eek: That's about as low as you can go as a journalist - oh the shame!! ;)

PinkFloyd said:
I think Coulthard around the track would have been good, being an ex driver like Brundle.
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You mean Blundell? Only thing i'll miss about him is the Sniff Petrol skits ;) Hopefully Coulthard knows the difference between "that" and "what"
 
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Singapore race stewards have rejected an appeal by Toyota against Toro Rosso driver Sebastian Vettel. The Toyota team had complained that during one of their pit stops, Vettel had been released dangerously into the path of Timo Glock.

Race stewards examined footage of the incident and questioned both drivers over the event and decided that no action needed to be taken.
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must be only ferrari that get penalty for it
 
Spunkey said:
No, they're using the precedent they set at Valencia for Massa, whereby you get one unsafe release from the pits for free.
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no he got fined and then drive/thru so you all demand equal applications of the rules yet ferrari remain the only team victimised to appease the mclaren loving press
 
Memphis said:
Would you please, for the love of god, stop posting.
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look if you are intolerant of opinions then you should probably stop reading forums and stop whining

so you do not agree that its a fact that ferrari is the only team to have been given a fine and penalty for pit lane release or do you just come here to post nothing about f1?
 
TheStig1 said:
so you do not agree that its a fact that ferrari is the only team to have been given a fine and penalty for pit lane release?
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I would agree with that. However, I would also say they are the only team which have deserved a penalty for unsafe releases. Mostly due to their traffic light system which has easily lost more time for the team than it has gained.

Barring obviously the possible Glock/Vettel incident last weekend which the cameras missed so I havent actually seen it to comment on whether it was penalty worthy or not.
 
Spunkey said:
I would agree with that. However, I would also say they are the only team which have deserved a penalty for unsafe releases. Mostly due to their traffic light system which has easily lost more time for the team than it has gained.

Barring obviously the possible Glock/Vettel incident last weekend which the cameras missed so I havent actually seen it to comment on whether it was penalty worthy or not.
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the pit lights really have nothing to do with it there is a mechanic looking down the pitlane from the front of the car who is supposed to stop the light going green if a car is coming down the pitlane

yesterday was a pure human error and massa was not meant to be released at that moment i would say the vettel alonso release in germany is still worse than anything ferrari has done

MTA99 said:
Congratulations! You're the first person *ever* to make it on to my ignore list
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lol why would i care?
 
TheStig1 said:
look if you are intolerant of opinions then you should probably stop reading forums and stop whining

so you do not agree that its a fact that ferrari is the only team to have been given a fine and penalty for pit lane release or do you just come here to post nothing about f1?
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You are to Motors, what drunkenmaster is to Sports Arena!
 
the pit lights really have nothing to do with it there is a mechanic looking down the pitlane from the front of the car who is supposed to stop the light going green if a car is coming down the pitlane
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It's been human error every time there has been a pit-lane mishap - whether that's a driver with an itchy accelerator foot, or a chief mechanic with an over-developed green light button finger.

The fact remains that a driver is far less likely to move off from a pitstop when he has a lollipop sign a foot from his nose telling him what to do, and also he's more likely to stop if the lollipop is dropped again quickly because once he's moved three feet the lights are out of his vision to tell him to stop if a mistake is made. How many times have we seen driver smacked on the head with the lollipop after they move to early, and then stop immediately.

i would say the vettel alonso release in germany is still worse than anything ferrari has done
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I'd forgotten about that one - that was penalty worthy. However, it again highlights the inconsistencies in the stewards rulings.
 
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the release in valencia was such a non issue for me as but yesterday i agree the release was wrong as they were at the start of the pitlane with other crews out

i dont like the lights solution either as like you say they cant tell a driver to stop once it goes green they are gone (or before in kimi's case lol) the lollipop can have its problems too however as we have seen often in the past but it does seem more likely they can warn the driver something is wrong and they can stop although radio should be able to do that too i would have thought
 
TheStig1 said:
although radio should be able to do that too i would have thought
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The problem with telling a driver on the radio something has gone wrong is that by the time they've got on to him, he's halfway down the pitlane and would have to stop before the white line - assuming there's even space - and wait for the mechanics to give it legs down pitlane to sort out the drama, as we saw yesterday.

I bet Ferrari were happy they chose the first garage rather than the last for Singapore. If they'd been at the end Massa would most likely have gone over the white line and had to carry on round the lap and come back in.
 
yeah good point wonder what would have happened if he just did a lap with the hose on then pitted again to get it off lol

was quite lucky all that fuel never ignited
 
FrankJH said:
He [Alonso] won fair and square in a decent (not brilliant) car, but one race win doesnt make a season - let alone make him the "daddy"
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1 race win certainly doesnt make him the daddy.
But the 2 World Championships, both of which he beat MS (no one in the current field can boast this), the highest race wins and the highest points total, does.

Add the fact that last year, without Alonso, Renault were useless. He comes back and surprise surprise, they got a race win.

Add to the fact that in a McLaren, at least, for a variety of reasons, Hamilton is untouchable - just look how Heikki is being blown away (and please dont say that Heikki is crap, because before he joined Hamilton this year, he was touted at as a potential championship contender). Yet, when Alonso raced him last year, he matched him on points total. Had the FIA not demoted Alonso, on the grid, at Hungary, he probably would've won the world championship in 2007.

All these things combined make Alonso, F1's current all-round, best driver. Yesterday's race win is merely the tip of the iceberg.
 
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