On Iranian TV Right now...
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In what way? Other than satisfying psychos' delight in torturing people to death, obviously. No doubt some people will be getting off on videos of it, probably right at this moment.
You can find videos of it online. Watch one, to see what it's really like. It's fine being all keyboard killer here, but do you really think that torturing people (often to death) for things such as adultery is a good thing? Or for having sex outside of marriage? Admittedly, it's disputed as to whether the torture is meant to be until death for sex outside of marriage, but torture that might kill the victim is definitely in. If you really think that's a good idea, please emigrate to Iran so you can live under "a damn site (sic) better" legal system.
There not zero if a right wing party entered government, they may remove the UK from the EU unlikely but not zero.
Define civilised, A nation based on drinking & dabortary is far from civilised & being from N.ire also, we are by far the least civilised are Politian’s refuse to work for the betterment of the country & instead argue over slight religions and political differences.
You might be saying yeah but the middle east is far worse, in places yes in other no such as Jordon. Pre zionism the Arab world was by far the most religiously tolerant place in the world & its the west's fault for support Zionism & fuelling religious intolerance.
The Sha of Iran was removed by the CIA leaving the power vacuum the Ayatollahs filled.
The other most religiously intolerant Arab state is Saudi Arabia which is ruled by an iron fist & is kept in power by the US.
The west & we ourselves for voting in governments who’s foreign policies only fuel Islamic extremism are responsible.
Also Iran is the birth place of civilisation, so based on these facts calling Iran uncivilised is ironic.
Ah, Iran... the perfect blend of ignorance, savagery, barbarism and old skool religion.
Just like mother used to make.
Says who? Since when was Iran the birthplace of civilisation?
None of your facts are relevant to the question of whether or not it is legitimate to call Iran "uncivilised".
Iran...
(a) executes homosexuals
(b) restricts free speech
(c) maintains illegal detention centres in which dissidents are tortured (sometimes until they die)
(d) claims democracy but regularly bars candidates from elections (particularly if they are pro-reformist)
(e) permits execution by stoning
(f) punishes offenders with public flogging
If that's not uncivilised, what is?
Agreed. They'd probably like public torture too - it's just the job for making people scared and thus easier to control, if you use it right. I think a poster from Red Dwarf summed it up well - "Vote Facist for a third glorious decade of total law enforcement!".
Drinking and debauchery have been part of numerous civilisations (including the earliest known one, which even had a god of beer). Politicians arguing over slight differences could also be taken as a sign of civilisation.
It's convenient to blame everything on the creation of Israel after WW2, but I'd need to see some evidence before believing your statement.
The Shah of Iran was propped up the the CIA, actually. It was Mohammad Mossadegh (Prime Minister in 1953) who was removed by the CIA (and British Intelligence), which possibly had a worse effect than removing the Shah would have done. That was about oil.
Can't argue with that.
Those foreign policies were over 50 years ago. The problem is the mix of a control-orientated religion and power (through oil money).
Sumer appears to be the birthplace of civilisation, or more accurately the place of the earliest known evidence of certain developments in civilisation. Sumer occupied some of the same land that Iran now occupies, but that doesn't mean it was the same country.
(a) executes homosexuals :
Uk locked them up in the 50s
(b) restricts free speech
In both Uk & USA Protests have been shut down & banned in certain area via anti-terror legislation.
(c) maintains illegal detention centres in which dissidents are tortured:
Guanto bay contains Uk citizens
(d) claims democracy but regularly bars candidates from elections:
Gerry mandering was practised in Nire up to the 60s. Us elections of 2000 were fixed in key states ie Florida.
(e) permits execution by stoning:
Uk had hanging up to the 50s capital punishment still practised in US, method of execution does not matter death is death.
(f) punishes offenders with public flogging:
more affective than an asbo!
Uk locked them up in the 50s
(b) restricts free speech
In both Uk & USA Protests have been shut down & banned in certain area via anti-terror legislation.
(c) maintains illegal detention centres in which dissidents are tortured:
Guanto bay contains Uk citizens
(d) claims democracy but regularly bars candidates from elections:
Gerry mandering was practised in Nire up to the 60s. Us elections of 2000 were fixed in key states ie Florida.
(e) permits execution by stoning:
Uk had hanging up to the 50s capital punishment still practised in US, method of execution does not matter death is death.
(f) punishes offenders with public flogging:
more affective than an asbo!
Irrelevant. They weren't executed, and this is now - not the 50s.
Irrelevant. Both countries still have tremendous free speech.
Fair point. I am 100% opposed to Gitmo.
True, but Iran this would be government policy; in the US it is a breach of law. In any case, you are comparing one rigged election in a democratic nation (USA) with an undemocratic process in a fundamentalist dictatorship (Iran); the two are not equivalent.
Irrelevant; I support capital punishment, so this does not concern me in the slightest.
The method of execution does matter. Would you rather be killed by a single bullet to the head, or tortured to death over half an hour?
Yes, but Iran flogs just about anyone they feel like flogging at the time. They flog women for having affairs, etc. Sound fair to you?
The problem is there arguments are based on events that took place 100s of years ago and they wont let the matter lye & move on.
Nire is poorly represented because of this real matters aren’t dealt with instead they, bicker like children over who used to be associated with which paramilitary.
But in the same regard this happens in the Us, China, Russia.
Jordon is a well rounded a fair society considering its neighbours & history.
Jews immigrating to Palestine after WW2 were welcomed at first by the local Palestinians. However when the Zionists demanded a Jewish state opinions turned.
The Shah reigned because of discontent caused by CIA propaganda. He wasn’t really propped he never regained real western support after his support of Germany in ww2.
In 50 years the policies hasn’t changed.
Yes the problem is a control-orientated religion but they wouldn’t have gotten into power if not by western backing.
Yes but in the same regarded western civilisation, is justified by legal system & democratic values however the state itself has changed completely.
Also you have to respect the achievements of the civilisation that followed the Sumerians such as that of the Babylonians ( there empire included Iran) & Persians.
It's quite interesting, even though Shari'ah law is to be used purely for arbitration (as has been discussed on this forum a number of times), it is still ingrained in many that we will see public floggings etc. in the UK.
A line that the Tories are taking also and another case of willful ignorance over reason and understanding.
A line that the Tories are taking also and another case of willful ignorance over reason and understanding.
Even today in different political conditions it could happen. Are would be are you suggesting there are people in the Uk that would not want to see this?
What is free speech if it is not used and when it is it can be whitewashed by the governments control of the media.
The fact that election was rigged makes the Us a fundamentalist dictatorship
In some stoning they are buried up to neck leaving only the head visible so death is relatively quick as the temple is likely to be hit or the neck broken.
And why should those who have caused others pain receive no pain themselves.
Yes it is fair the western attitude that having affairs is acceptable disgusts me. If you are unhappy with your partner you can get devoiced then do as you please this is even the case in Iran. And can you imagine the pain it would cause you if you found your partner was unfaithful would you not seek justice and its not just women who are flogged for affairs.
Western ignorance is the main problem & I very much doubt this will ever be resloved due to the western view of learning.
I would say the entire World is full of ignorance in different aspects, although Orientalism is something that does seem to be deep rooted.
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I remember having a similar 'discussion' a while back regarding capital punihsment in the UK, and the 2 main arguments for NOT having it were:
1) we're more civilised now
2) Our justice system just isn't good enough to guarantee we've got the right person, so we could be killing an innocent civilian
Personally, i believe that anyone convicted beyond shadow of a doubt for a truly heinous crime should be executed...and save us taxpayers some money.
I also strongly believe in Boot Camp for minor offenders.
I certainly DO NOT want to see someone flogged on tv. However i think some kind of painful and public humiliation would have its place in society....somewhere......maybe just for the chavs!
1) we're more civilised now
2) Our justice system just isn't good enough to guarantee we've got the right person, so we could be killing an innocent civilian
Personally, i believe that anyone convicted beyond shadow of a doubt for a truly heinous crime should be executed...and save us taxpayers some money.
I also strongly believe in Boot Camp for minor offenders.
I certainly DO NOT want to see someone flogged on tv. However i think some kind of painful and public humiliation would have its place in society....somewhere......maybe just for the chavs!
In a perfectly civilised society there would be no need for violence however this is not the case.
This is true & this is caused by corruption within the legal system which musts be stamped out.
agreed
This however would cost money and the only way to deal with crime is to hurt them, ether physically or finically however the bulk of crime is committed by those who faineance is the state and so is impossible to punish them via this method & is impossible to punish them due to a joke of a legal system & human rights.
Human rights is a farce you have no rights all you should have is what your wiling to work for.
I certainly DO NOT want to see someone flogged on tv. However i think some kind of painful and public humiliation would have its place in society....somewhere......maybe just for the chavs!
The problem is with this method it could just become a badge of honour in such a way as ASBO’s have become
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I got the belt a few times at school, it hurt, but it didnt do me any harm.
Talking about Iranian TV and Whippings.
What ever happend to that tv Presenter that had a boyfriend release a sex tape of her and she got in HUGE **** for it and could have faced a public whipping?
Does anyone know what happend with her?
What ever happend to that tv Presenter that had a boyfriend release a sex tape of her and she got in HUGE **** for it and could have faced a public whipping?
Does anyone know what happend with her?
It appears a lot of people are confused about the difference between "the law" and "The punishment". I doubt anyone here agrees that beating people for drinking alcohol is a good thing. I dont suppose anyone here thinks throwing women off cliffs for talking to men they're not married to is wise. On the other hand though, finding an illegal immigrant, and not being allowed to arrest them , but instead giving them a letter that says "please, please hand yourself in so we can send you back to your own country" is, quite frankly, pathetic. Jail sentences which only ever last half as long as they're supposed to and rarely provide incentive to stop repeat offences are a waste of time and resources.
I'm all for harsher punishments. I'm not for stupid laws. There's a huge difference.
I'm all for harsher punishments. I'm not for stupid laws. There's a huge difference.