Porsche accuses Nissan of cheating at Nurburgring

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Porsche has accused Nissan of cheating in the GT-R's record bid at the Nurburgring racetrack.
Porsche has just run its own back-to-back tests with the Japanese company's GT-R supercar and says it could not get within 25 seconds of Nissan's claimed record time of seven minutes 29 seconds in April.

It also found its 911 Turbo and GT2 were both quicker than the GT-R.

"This wonder car with 7:29 could not have been a regular series production car," says August Achleitner, the 911 product chief for Porsche, speaking to the CARSguide at the Australian press preview of the latest 911 Cabrio.

"For us, it's not clear how this time is possible. What we can imagine with this Nissan is they used other tyres."

He believes the time achieved by Nissan with ex-Formula One driver Toshio Suzuki would only be possible with a semi-slick race-style tyre.

Achleitner says Porsche took a standard GT-R, running on regular road tyres, and ran it around the Nurburgring within two hours of its own cars, on the same day with exactly the same weather conditions.

He says there was no tweaking of any kind and the GT2 and Turbo both ran on regular Porsche road tyres, the Michelin Sport Cup.

"We bought the car in the US. We drove a GT-R with new tyres," he says.

Achleitner was initially protective of the exact lap times, which were run during a program when Porsche also compared its upcoming four-door Panamera with a range of potential rivals.

But he eventually revealed his team clocked the GT-R at 7 minutes 54 seconds, with the 911 Turbo managing 7:38 and the GT2 getting down to 7:34.

The laps were not run by Porsche's usual hot-lap specialist, former world rally champion and race winner Walter Rohrl, but one of the company's chassis development engineers who is an expert on the Nurburgring.

Achleitner says the back-to-back comparison was run because Porsche was concerned by Nissan's claims for the GT-R, which is heavier than the 911 with similar power.

"The Nissan is a good car. I don't want to make anything bad with my words," he says.

"It's a very consistent car. But this car is about 20 kilos heavier than the Turbo . . ."

In the end, Porsche believes its testing has achieved the right lap times for the Skyline GT-R and benchmarked it against its own 911 heroes in the right context.

"For us it has been clearly the result. This technical puzzle now fits together. With the other numbers we had problems to understand it," he says.

- Herald Sun

http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/m...he_accuses_nissan_of_cheating_at_nurburgring/
 
Question to be raised then is if Semi slicks had been fitted to both the GT-R and the 911's would the gap stay the same or would the GT-R close the gap down?
 
The GT-R results certainly looked dodgy all along

Are the Michelin Sport Cups standard fitment on Turbo and GT2 as I wouldn't class them as a standard road tyre ?
 
Well it is Porsche's own perspective of course which should not be forgotten but I did say many times it will all come out in the wash when someone buys a car from a dealer and trys it themselves without Nissan influence around the Ring. I would not take this report at face value either but it is none the less interesting.
 
Question to be raised then is if Semi slicks had been fitted to both the GT-R and the 911's would the gap stay the same or would the GT-R close the gap down?

Agreed, I think std road tyres needs to be clarified but Cup's will not add 20 plus seconds to a lap time.
 
Hopefully will see a few more manufacturers or just independant bodies try a similar test to either quash or strengthen porsches accusation.
 
Who was it that was saying that the setup for the GT-R for the nurburgrind time was that same as it is going to be when it is launched here, which is a slightly different setup from the original release car?

I might be making that up but I recall something along those lines.
 
Oh and to put this in perspective, nurburgring laptimes from a recent issue of Evo...

Evo said:
1. Maserati MC12 7:24.29
2. Pagani Zonda F Clubsport 7:24.65
3. Ferrari Enzo 7:25.21
4. Porsche Carrera GT 7:28.71
5. Koenigsegg CCX 7:33.55
 
I can’t wait to see some independents give it a blast around the Ring to see what type of lap time it is REALLY capable of in production form…….and what BHP it puts out in such form too. I am not denying the car is VERY fast, just trying to add a level of caution to those who are wrapped up in the hype. 7.29 even with super sticky tyres, adjusted geo/bits and big boost, which is where I suspect it was is still an amazing time for something that is so heavy…………well assuming it was that heavy of course!

This has been my point all along as the power/weight/claims I had seen did not stack up and do not stack up. Now this is MILES from an independent perspective and that should not be forgotton but I am too old to fall for 'hype' as I have seen it from EVERY manufacturer over the years. The good thing is that Nissan has got them all worried and THAT is good news but I suspect the ambitious claims made for the car will be slightly different come full production. What we need now is an independent body to test the car in production form because Porsche may have bought one of those "lower on power" cars Mr Clarkson told us all about......and of course that is not Nissan saying "well we did say some might not be as quick" of course.....

Like all things I urge this Porsche view is also treated with caution just like the Nissan claims...
 

I'd speak to Mr Magnussen about his lap in the Z06 before you do that.....I suspect he can share some insights into the tweaks........allegedly of course. I suspect the same will be true of the ZR1 too. Like I said don't believe the hype until a few different ones have been tried. When you buy a new car everyone wants them but when you come to sell it the market is dead and you bought the worng spec. :D

Different times in the sale cycle of anything new means different answers to the questions asked more often than not. :p
 
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