Yet more proof that MS know Vista is poor
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I have been running vista since launch, and had not problems. Vista 64 ultimate.
Been using it on this setup and my old 939 setup. All great.
Been using it on this setup and my old 939 setup. All great.
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The XP downgrade will primary be one machines running Vista business and therefore aimed at businesses who havn't upgraded their infrastructure yet.
The domestic market is totally different though as there is no downgrade option and MS has been marketing hard to change people's perceptions.
This has no bearing on the software itself, only the speed of business IT roadmaps.
The domestic market is totally different though as there is no downgrade option and MS has been marketing hard to change people's perceptions.
This has no bearing on the software itself, only the speed of business IT roadmaps.
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My uni recently took delivery of a huge number of workstations for the EDT labs, quite a number of applications that my uni uses they claim only work properly on windows xp so every machine was downgraded from vista business to xp pro.
Ironically, the very same applications they claim don't work on vista I'm using right now.
On vista.
Ironically, the very same applications they claim don't work on vista I'm using right now.
On vista.
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My uni recently took delivery of a huge number of workstations for the EDT labs, quite a number of applications that my uni uses they claim only work properly on windows xp so every machine was downgraded from vista business to xp pro.
Ironically, the very same applications they claim don't work on vista I'm using right now.
On vista.
its a question of support as well, they probably dont have anyone who can properly support Vista if something does crop up, having everyone on the same OS makes it 10times easier.
The company i work for also downgrades any new IT equipment to XP, unfortunatly MS took the option to have XP installed on any new computers away so they now have to offer a alternative.
Ignorance.
Im not at all surprised at the replies here.
First off, I have Vista running on 3 of my machines and they are running it perfectly.
Biz 32Bit / Prem 32 / Ult 64
All running sweet and I am happy with them.
My main Machine however, has never managed it for more than a month, last attempt, was 3 weeks ago where it killed itself in under 2 days
So, thats a 75% success rate I suppose.
The downgrade option is available to Business and Ultimate, and effectively anyone who has these installed are covered, not just businesses, although I think its rare for an OEM to install Ultimate I know.
I fell like Paul Whitehouse on the /Fast Show, when he plays dave, the young guy in the pub... Yeah, Vista is crap innint... No its not, its got this and that... Yeah, Vista is great isnt it! ... No its not, its still unrealiable ... Thats what I mean, load of rubbish...
No, while there are many people that like it and love it, there is still far too many people failing to work with it, yes a lot of the times its the users fault, we all know that, but there are just far too many issues, and far too many companies moving away from it, or just plain avoiding it totally, for it to be a coincidence surely?
I can see how businesses might not want to go with Vista when their current setup is running fine and indeed there are still many out there on Win2K and wont even go with XP because 2K is spot on for them.
First off, I have Vista running on 3 of my machines and they are running it perfectly.
Biz 32Bit / Prem 32 / Ult 64
All running sweet and I am happy with them.
My main Machine however, has never managed it for more than a month, last attempt, was 3 weeks ago where it killed itself in under 2 days
So, thats a 75% success rate I suppose.
The downgrade option is available to Business and Ultimate, and effectively anyone who has these installed are covered, not just businesses, although I think its rare for an OEM to install Ultimate I know.
I fell like Paul Whitehouse on the /Fast Show, when he plays dave, the young guy in the pub... Yeah, Vista is crap innint... No its not, its got this and that... Yeah, Vista is great isnt it! ... No its not, its still unrealiable ... Thats what I mean, load of rubbish...
No, while there are many people that like it and love it, there is still far too many people failing to work with it, yes a lot of the times its the users fault, we all know that, but there are just far too many issues, and far too many companies moving away from it, or just plain avoiding it totally, for it to be a coincidence surely?
I can see how businesses might not want to go with Vista when their current setup is running fine and indeed there are still many out there on Win2K and wont even go with XP because 2K is spot on for them.
I wouldn't say XP Crashes anymore than Vista, they don't crash a lot and are on fairly even footing.
A lot of people that say Vista is poor is more than likely that they haven't used Vista since pre-service pack 1. Vista with SP1 is a huge improvement and makes it a fantastic OS.
Even without SP1 I felt it was better than XP.
I've personally not found Vista to be poor but different, only switched over a few weeks ago and have 64-bit Vista running on my home PC with no problems.
Businesses have and will always be slow to move over as the costs are huge, running into the millions. I'm currently working on a project where there are some 4000 desktops and around 2000 laptops, we only moved this customer onto XP after SP1 for XP had been out for a good few mohths, prior to this the customer had been running NT 4.0. Remember for a business we can't and don't send people armed with CDs/DVDs to do an upgrade, our upgrades and rebuilds are done centrally so we push the update out to the workstation. Also we have to do full regression testing to ensure that anything we push out doesn't impact business critical applications so all in all a lot of time and work.
Businesses have and will always be slow to move over as the costs are huge, running into the millions. I'm currently working on a project where there are some 4000 desktops and around 2000 laptops, we only moved this customer onto XP after SP1 for XP had been out for a good few mohths, prior to this the customer had been running NT 4.0. Remember for a business we can't and don't send people armed with CDs/DVDs to do an upgrade, our upgrades and rebuilds are done centrally so we push the update out to the workstation. Also we have to do full regression testing to ensure that anything we push out doesn't impact business critical applications so all in all a lot of time and work.
My uni recently took delivery of a huge number of workstations for the EDT labs, quite a number of applications that my uni uses they claim only work properly on windows xp so every machine was downgraded from vista business to xp pro.
Ironically, the very same applications they claim don't work on vista I'm using right now.
On vista.
Lol.
Place I work only uses Windows 2000 . . . Even on brand spanking new machines . . . .
When a user tried to install Vista on their PC and no matter what they do, they cannot stop issues cropping up for no honest reason, and even if they reinatll, the reasons that give problems are not the same the next time round, making each time they install it, a totally different experience requiring a whoel different approach to repairing its problems, most problem are cured only to be replaced with new problems that were not there 10 minutes previous...
They may turn around and say that Vista is poor.
Then again, you get other users who install Vista, it runs sweet, it installs sweet, and is clearly issue free and it runs so perfectly, that they call the others stupid.
Of course you get those in between too, I accept that.
I cannot remember what was going on in my head now, but basically, what I am saying is that every PC is different and Vista simply wont run on a lot more PCs than youd think, where XP will, and its not only the user, but Vista itself that has the issues.
As for saying that XP or Vista is any more reliable than the other, Im afriad, that I say some bloody stupid things, but thats something that I would not say... Even I have a moron line that I dont cross.
They may turn around and say that Vista is poor.
Then again, you get other users who install Vista, it runs sweet, it installs sweet, and is clearly issue free and it runs so perfectly, that they call the others stupid.
Of course you get those in between too, I accept that.
I cannot remember what was going on in my head now, but basically, what I am saying is that every PC is different and Vista simply wont run on a lot more PCs than youd think, where XP will, and its not only the user, but Vista itself that has the issues.
As for saying that XP or Vista is any more reliable than the other, Im afriad, that I say some bloody stupid things, but thats something that I would not say... Even I have a moron line that I dont cross.