Govenment to spend £12 billion spying on our Email & Internet Browsing Habits

Slinwagh said:
Do you really think that the intelligence services have any trouble circumventing encryption?
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So they can de-encrypt non backdoored code by sticking it through a supercomputer, now multiply that by thousands and millions a second and what do you get....

No chance, you just need to get an encryption that isn't backdoored.

So would encryption proxy services get around this (and Phom?
 
What a scary scary state. What exactly does this involve?, would the system flag key words and such?, Jesus. I have nothing to hide, but if you think about it, you can't determine incoming communications. I can't dictate what will or will not land in my spam folder, nor what a friend will text me etcetc, I mean, you could be the most vigilant communicator, be extraordinarily 'safe' about who you message/email/where you post/what you say, and you're still going to be subject to things outside of your control (will it even be safe to post on OcuK in 20 years time?, will the aged racist posts held in the database be used as evidence against everyone who posted here? <-- tawdry example).
I'm quite left wing and do post on some protest/anti government sites, would this mean that I would be flagged as a threat?. Of course this will all be linked to proposed ID card information to create a nice little profile of benneh, that in turn will eventually serve to recoup the money outlaid for the project by selling sections of the profile to companies who deal in customer profiling (store cards etc).

Why on earth do we stand by and let things like this go ahead? (remembering of course that WE are paying for it?!!). England is becoming a very very scary place, and as a reasonably intelligent guy in his mid 20's I can't see any future for myself here. I probably sound like a nut, but who on earth would want to raise children in an Orwellian nightmare like the one proposed above?. Christ, I want to have freedom of speech and expression, not oppression and perpetual monitoring.
 
benneh said:
What a scary scary state. What exactly does this involve?, would the system flag key words and such?, Jesus. I have nothing to hide, but if you think about it, you can't determine incoming communications. I can't dictate what will or will not land in my spam folder, nor what a friend will text me etcetc, I mean, you could be the most vigilant communicator, be extraordinarily 'safe' about who you message/email/where you post/what you say, and you're still going to be subject to things outside of your control (will it even be safe to post on OcuK in 20 years time?, will the aged racist posts held in the database be used as evidence against everyone who posted here? <-- tawdry example).
I'm quite left wing and do post on some protest/anti government sites, would this mean that I would be flagged as a threat?. Of course this will all be linked to proposed ID card information to create a nice little profile of benneh, that in turn will eventually serve to recoup the money outlaid for the project by selling sections of the profile to companies who deal in customer profiling (store cards etc).

Why on earth do we stand by and let things like this go ahead? (remembering of course that WE are paying for it?!!). England is becoming a very very scary place, and as a reasonably intelligent guy in his mid 20's I can't see any future for myself here. I probably sound like a nut, but who on earth would want to raise children in an Orwellian nightmare like the one proposed above?. Christ, I want to have freedom of speech and expression, not oppression and perpetual monitoring.
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You see this is my point, only I can’t be assed typing it all out.

For example, Benneh and I want to start a little protest over the price of say "potatoes" and start to e-mail each other the information.

But before we can leave the house to start this little protest, we are arrested.
 
they opened the floodgates to refugees even from the country we were at war with...(not that we needed to go to war with them).....they are probably hoping for a terrorist attack or two to convince everybody we need this
 
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Slinwagh said:
Do you really think that the intelligence services have any trouble circumventing encryption?
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Maths doesn't lie, do you really think MI5 and the US government would use the AES algorithm if it could be so easily broken?

Decades ago claude shannon discovered that ciphers such as "one time pad" were unbreakable using brute force, even the worlds most powerful supercomputer can't break it despite it being computed by hand (or any other modern algorithm for that matter). The simple fact is, there aren't any electronic countermeasures to modern encryption. The secret services and the police know this, which is why a law was created forcing you to hand over your encryption key. The idea of these encryption algorithms being cracked is something reserved for movies and the likes of "24".
 
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Energize said:
The best solution is to use a proxy thus avoiding all government and isp monitoring, so you can browse in privacy.
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Except that a lot of the public proxies (Tor included) are vulnerable to man-in-the-middle attacks, and those that aren't better be in a non-friendly jurisdiction, otherwise physical inspection is still a possibility.
 
Berserker said:
Except that a lot of the public proxies (Tor included) are vulnerable to man-in-the-middle attacks, and those that aren't better be in a non-friendly jurisdiction, otherwise physical inspection is still a possibility.
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Well obviously you wouldn't use a public one, but a subscription one with an encrypted vpn connection to it. Physical inspection doesn't matter much when they don't keep any traffic logs. Unless your doing anything illegal it isn't much of a concern, you just don't want the government to have a record of every single website you have visited.
 
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Energize said:
Physical inspection doesn't matter much when they don't keep any traffic logs.
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Private encryption keys. Unless someone has invented the VPN equivalent of the One Time Pad, at any rate.

Of course, you're right, but then if you're not doing anything illegal, why are you using that subscriber-only encrypted VPN? The two appear somewhat contradictory.
 
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Private encryption keys. Unless someone has invented the VPN equivalent of the One Time Pad, at any rate.
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I still don't see the problem here, everytime a connection is made to the server it creates a private encryption key and then destroys it after the session is ended. Doesn't reveal what that person has been browsing at any rate.

Of course, you're right, but then if you're not doing anything illegal, why are you using that subscriber-only encrypted VPN? The two appear somewhat contradictory.
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Because you don't want the government having a complete log of everything you have been on, and of course then going on to make new laws against stuff and arresting you because you visited some website 10 years ago. Eg what is happening with the new "extreme" porn laws.
 
of course (anthrax) if everyone started randomly (London) putting certain "keywords" into (allah) every digital (jihad) communication, it would render the (bomb) system pretty useless, since it would (ricin) flag up everything. ;)
 
benneh said:
What a scary scary state. What exactly does this involve?, would the system flag key words and such?, Jesus. I have nothing to hide, but if you think about it, you can't determine incoming communications. I can't dictate what will or will not land in my spam folder, nor what a friend will text me etcetc, I mean, you could be the most vigilant communicator, be extraordinarily 'safe' about who you message/email/where you post/what you say, and you're still going to be subject to things outside of your control (will it even be safe to post on OcuK in 20 years time?, will the aged racist posts held in the database be used as evidence against everyone who posted here? <-- tawdry example).
I'm quite left wing and do post on some protest/anti government sites, would this mean that I would be flagged as a threat?. Of course this will all be linked to proposed ID card information to create a nice little profile of benneh, that in turn will eventually serve to recoup the money outlaid for the project by selling sections of the profile to companies who deal in customer profiling (store cards etc).

Why on earth do we stand by and let things like this go ahead? (remembering of course that WE are paying for it?!!). England is becoming a very very scary place, and as a reasonably intelligent guy in his mid 20's I can't see any future for myself here. I probably sound like a nut, but who on earth would want to raise children in an Orwellian nightmare like the one proposed above?. Christ, I want to have freedom of speech and expression, not oppression and perpetual monitoring.
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Thats exactly the way I feel about modern day Britain. Its turning into an absolute nightmare and it seems as if its only a few people like us on forums that actually oppose it and see where this is all going. I mean, where are the newspaper columnists and debates about this kind of stuff? Why does everyone seem to just bend-over when the government decide to do these things to us? Its coming to us being monitored and tracked like animals!

There is no way I would raise a child here. I'm only 23 but as soon as the chance to escape comes along I'm outta here. Why should I let my kids grow-up in a backward society where political correctness and government spun fear-driven "safety" are priority over common sense and human freedom?

This quote by Benjamin Franklin sums it up perfectly: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
 
Wossi said:
Phorm isn't keyword based, it basically looks at everything you do and stores it for a time in a data centre outside of this country, then serves you adverts based on your complete browsing habits.
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So how do you think it works out which ads to serve you? It hunts through the webpages you look at for keywords and serves you ads which match those keywords. It is keyword based.
 
benneh said:
What a scary scary state. What exactly does this involve?, would the system flag key words and such?, Jesus. I have nothing to hide, but if you think about it, you can't determine incoming communications. I can't dictate what will or will not land in my spam folder, nor what a friend will text me etcetc, I mean, you could be the most vigilant communicator, be extraordinarily 'safe' about who you message/email/where you post/what you say...
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Also what if someone puts a dodgy link in a tiny url etc, seems to me its just all about control, when a person feels they're being watched all the time their behaviour changes in some negative ways.
 
great firewall of Labour, and what will happen with all of this privite data that is collected, it'll be put into a data centre, then lost by security breach. and out of these how much data will actualyl stand up, as those who are regestered to the ISP will say that there wifi was hacked, and that it wasn't them who was caught on illegial sites, overal labour wasting more tax payers money on a plan that won't work.
 
wont work

when im arranging my terrorist activities i just go to hotmail or other email client write my mail then stick it in the draft folder, my evil colleague logs in reads the draft then deletes OMG's..
 
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