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4870 1GB vs. GTX280 First Impressions

Its not,

Dual core Cpu's at 4.5 ghz are faster in 99% of games but it doesn't make it faster than my 4ghz Q9450 in everything else.

2 x 4850's at 220 quid are faster than a 280GTX

Keep things simple

My point exactly, comparing dual CPU's to single GPU's is like apples to oranges. Much the same with CPU's. How simple do you need it? If 2x48701gb were faster than 2xgtx280's then I would be in the ATI camp, sadly they aint.

If one wants to negate cost...then why have a 280 in the first place as its not the fastest card for the money.

Jeeez, what point of single GPU are you failing to grasp. Take a look around and have a look how many issues there are with dual GPU cards. When you have educated yourself, come back with a valid point of view. If there was a card that offered 4870x2 speeds in single GPU format, consitantly, without the need for a driver update everytime a new game arrives, then I would buy one be it from ATI or NV. Currently the GTX280, as it does not have the issues with dual GPU cards, is the best TOP END option available imho.
 
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Jeeez, what point of single GPU are you failing to grasp. Take a look around and have a look how many issues there are with dual GPU cards. When you have educated yourself, come back with a valid point of view. If there was a card that offered 4870x2 speeds, consitantly, without the need for a driver update everytime a new game arrives, then I would buy one be it from ATI or NV. Currently the GTX280, as it does not have the issues with dual GPU cards, is the best TOP END option available imho.

Stay cool, I'm aware of all new tech.

Fact is you posted this nonsense:

Price vs performance ATI win
Raw performance NV win

This is not the case.

One can talk about the limitations of your current SLI Chipset.

Running 2x 280's in SLI has to be done on an inferior Chipset, so as you say its balance.
 
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Stay cool, I'm aware of all new tech.

Fact is you posted this nonsense:



This is not the case.

One can talk about the limitaions of your current SLI Chipset.

Running 2x 280's in SLI has to be done on an inferior Chipset, so as you say its balance.

What limitations might they be then? The fact that x38/x48 struggles with 2000mhz DDR3 while 790i runs it like a breeze? I know, I have reviewed many boards from each manufacturer whith different sets of TOP END ram. Come on now, you are grasping at straws and taking the thread totally off track.

Bang per buck ATI are quite obviously the best.

Raw performance - GPU to GPU, NV still rule.

I don't see why this is nonsense.:confused: After all is that not what this thread is supposed to be about? Not 280GTX vs 4870x2 or Intel Chipset vs NV chipsets.
 
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What limitations might they be then? The fact that x38/x48 struggles with 2000mhz DDR3 while 790i runs it like a breeze? I know, I have reviewed many boards from each manufacturer whith different sets of TOP END ram. Come on now, you are grasping at straws and taking the thread totally off track.

Anyone running DDR3 with S775 needs sorting out.

No gains at all over DDR 2

Who (other than a reviewer) buys a DDR3 X38 X48 mobo with Nahelem so close.

Sweeping statements mean nothing...You talk top end and don't even run an Intel chipset with DDR2 like the majority posting GFX section.

Your arguement is Flawed as in, it is based on a minority standpoint.

Everyone knows the 4870 is the card to get as its the relative fast card on the market.

One can buy a 280 but they are wasting their money. IMHO
 
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Fight, Fight, Fight... lol

In all seriousness. I think w3bbo is correct in saying:

Price vs performance ATI win
Raw performance NV win


But in the end its not like NV wins by a lot. As for single card solution ATI is king ;)
 
Anyone running DDR3 with S775 needs sorting out.

No gains at all over DDR 2

Who (other than a reviewer) buys a DDR3 X38 X48 mobo with Nahelem so close.

Sweeping statements mean nothing...You talk top end and don't even run an Intel chipset with DDR2 like the majority posting GFX section.

Your arguement is Flawed as in it is based on a minority standpoint.

Everyone knows the 4870 is the card to get but others don't get it.

Hahaha, come on really. How can a [email protected], 790i Ultra, 4GB DDR3 2000mhz and 280GTX XXX SLI not be top end?

How can my standpoint be from a minority? I have reviewed most current GPU's from the bottom to the top and reviewed most of the top end motherboards out atm. I think it's pretty safe to assume I am not coming from a minority standpoint or have a narrow, misinformed point of view. Now don't misunderstand me, I am not for one moment saying 790i is a better chipset than P45/X48 for CPU's - it is not. But it is the only board that will run DDR3 and SLI atm and hence is why I have one, I would not recommend it unless you want ddr3 and sli.

The 4870 IS the card to have IF you are looking for bang per buck. It is one serious piece of kit but IF you want the fastest single GPU based card then the 280GTX is the card to have.If you don't mind dual GPU cards then the 4870x2 is the fastest card.

Capiche?
 
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The 4870 IS the card to have IF you are looking for bang per buck. It is one serious piece of kit but IF you want the fastest single GPU based card then the 280GTX is the card to have.If you don't mind dual GPU cards then the 4870x2 is the fastest card.

Capiche?

No. lol. ;)













Just kidding btw
 
Thanks for agreeing with me.

As for DDR3 and S775 ...This is Horrible and I'm glad you agree.

Huh??? I said the exact same thing a few posts ago?

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Now you are agreeing with that yet before you wasn't, make your mind up!

I never said the 4870x2 wasn't the fastest card why would I disagree with that statement? The 4870 however is not the fastest GPU - the GTX280 is ;). I know you are still getting to grips with the quote and edit buttons so I will forgive the misqoute.

What is s775? Do you mean skt775? DDR3 and 's'(?)775 are fine if you have the right chipset. skt775 is not a chipset, its socket. There ya go, you are learning all the time.

...anyway, its way past my bedtime and this thread is getting derailed by the pettiness so I will leave it till the afternoon in the hope you overcome your own confusion.
 
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Huh??? I said the exact same thing a few posts ago?

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Now you are agreeing with that yet before you wasn't, make your mind up!

I never said the 4870x2 wasn't the fastest card why would I disagree with that statement? The 4870 however is not the fastest GPU - the GTX280 is ;). I know you are still getting to grips with the quote and edit buttons so I will forgive the misqoute.

What is s775? Do you mean skt775? DDR3 and 's'(?)775 are fine if you have the right chipset. skt775 is not a chipset, its socket. There ya go, you are learning all the time.

Uhh, seems like you're grasping at straws really. Why should it matter how each camp achieves their speed? So what if NV have the fastest GPU, that's not really any different to ATi using 2 RV770s in one to gain the top end.

Why do you think NV haven't tried a GX2 yet? It's most probably totally unrealistic at the moment. Too big and power hungry to easily get into one card. But the old argument of you can't compare 2 GPUs to 1 GPU, if it's faster and cheaper, then it doesn't matter, you can tell yourself all day what ever you want to hear, it's not gonna change reality.

If a RAM manufacturer (all in theory) realised that if they increased the number of RAM chips on their RAM modules, the performance would go up quite a bit, you'd get laughed at for saying, ah, well no, it doesn't count, because that module has 16 RAM chips, whereas that one only has 8.

Doesn't make sense at all, you have to be stupid to use that argument and say it's like comparing apples to oranges. I can get much faster performance by buying 2 4850s and crossfireing them over a GTX 280, for much less money too, why would I even consider it to be 'unfair'? Because they're using a method that works to get more performance for less money?

Common sense tells you that 99% of people will go for the cheaper and faster solution.

Look at it this way. I need some really strong glue to fix something together. I've got an epoxy glue, and I've got a one part air drying glue. The epoxy glue is cheaper and stronger, but comes in 2 tubes you've gotta mix together before anything happens, whereas the air drying glue is just apply and wait until it dries.

With the epoxy glue, I've gotta squeeze equal amounts from each tube and mix them together, then apply and wait. Some might think it's inconvienient to go through this step, but it's high strength I need, so epoxy is best.

Would you say, ah, but that's an unfair comparison, epoxy glue takes two tubes that need to be mixed together, whereas the other glue you just squeeze out and use?

At the end of it, you're left with same result, whatever you're sticking, is stuck, but the epoxy is stronger and cheaper. Just because it takes 2 tubes against 1 doesn't really change that it's cheaper and stronger. Now apply this to your idea that compariing 2 GPUs to one is unfair.

I don't really expect you to change what you think about multi GPUs, but you can't go around telling people that their views are invalid, just because you don't agree with them, because there's greater chance of their being more people that think your view on the matter is the invalid view, than there are people who would agree with you.

At the end of the day, there's not much to complain about with multi GPU set ups anymore, as it's been demonstrated that 100% scaling is achieveable. COD4, FEAR etc.
 
I never said the 4870x2 wasn't the fastest card why would I disagree with that statement? The 4870 however is not the fastest GPU - the GTX280 is ;). I know you are still getting to grips with the quote and edit buttons so I will forgive the misqoute..


This means Jack its the fastest card that counts when it comes to Top end.

What is s775? Do you mean skt775? DDR3 and 's'(?)775 are fine if you have the right chipset. skt775 is not a chipset, its socket. There ya go, you are learning all the time..

I clearly mention S775 and the limitations of your SLI chipset.This clearly means I have understanding between the Socket and the chipset .:confused:

...anyway, its way past my bedtime and this thread is getting derailed by the pettiness so I will leave it till the afternoon in the hope you overcome your own confusion.

I'm not confused in the slightest.

It seems you are as by stating:

Raw Perfromance NV win.

Is clearly incorrect.
 
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Best go read my posts again. I am clearly talking about the fastest GPU, not card. Not once have I said the 280 is the faster card over a 4870x2, it clearly is not (at least in most games it isn't). However, it has the faster GPU and no matter how you dance around the subject you can't change that fact. I have no complaints on how ATI get the fastest card, I applaud them and have done so many times in the reviews I have written but why compare it to the GTX280 like for like? The 4870x2 has no competitor atm - its really quite simple.

Was the 3870x2 compared to the GTX? No, it was compared to the 9800GX2 - like for like. NV don't have a dual GPU solution out atm so does that mean the 4870x2 is automatically compared to the GTX280? Or should the 280, as the OP in this thread has done, compared like for like and compared it to the 4870? Sure price is a major factor and I would recommend folk buy the 4870 as bang per buck it simply cant be touched, but like for like, the GTX280 has the higher performance.

This means Jack its the fastest card that counts when it comes to Top end.

Cards not card. Top end is not singular, nor is high end, nor is low end. The 4870, 4870x2 and GTX280 are all top end. If we are talking the fastest card, then the 4870x2 is king (singular) no doubts about it.


I clearly mention S775 and the limitations of your SLI chipset.This clearly means I have understanding between the Socket and the chipset .:confused:.

As for DDR3 and S775 ...This is Horrible.

Not so with an NV chipset, unless by S775 you are refering to Intel only chipsets? Either way it is fine in both but better in NV atm. Please do tell me the limitations of the 790i chipset? Sweeping statement maybe?


I'm not confused in the slightest.

It seems you are as by stating:



Is clearly incorrect.

First you disagree, then you agree, then you disagree, make your mind up! Editing previous posts to back track on your views is lame btw and makes for very hard reading by others.
 
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Just to clarfiy for both of us:


Instead of saying



You should have said



ATI have the fastest GFX card at this moment in time. Who cares about GPU's

That was my point.

er.....the folk reading this thread perhaps? "4870 1GB vs 280GTX" - Thread title?

ATI = bang per buck
NV = Raw performance

GPU

ATI = bang per buck
NV = Raw performance

If the title were 280GTX vs 4870x2 card vs card then, yes I would agree

ATI = bang per buck
ATI = Raw performance

But it is not
That is my point?
 
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wow for some reason I thought the GTX 280s were like £250-260:(

It use too be a case where the mainstream card was like 200ish and the higher end was £250-270, 280GTX needs to drop by £50-75 tbh

ATI 4870 1gig definatly a bargain @ less then 200 quid, worth buying that and simply waiting another 6 months for the 5870 XT ;)
 
I'm soooooooo tempted to get another 4870 1GB for Crossfire, but tbh there's nothing I really need the power for at 1920res :confused:

Hopefully FarCry2 will sort out my temptation :D
 
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