Where do I stand?

Street · 20 Oct 2008 at 15:25

Dogbreath said:
Did you get a verbal NIP? i.e. something like "You will be reported for consideration of the question of prosecuting you for this offence"

Yeh he did.

[TW]Fox;12732885 said:
Without the other side to this story it's hard to say who was in the right.

For once I wasn't actually going over the speed limit and without the kit in his car there was no way for him to know anyway, for him to just pluck over 90mph out his his head then accuse me of being a ****ing liar is out of order.

I like to think that I am polite and well mannered and when he said I was going over 90mph, I looked shocked and said that I'm sure I wasn't. That caused him to go on some massive power trip at me and accuse me of everything under the sun!

If I had been speeding I would have held my hands up and admitted it, but this time I was not speeding and for his attitude towards me, treating me like a piece of **** he deserves to have a complaint against him. Would I really bother complaining if I was in the wrong?

Avalon · 20 Oct 2008 at 16:00

This sounds more like he's attempting to scare the **** out of you and not like any stop i've ever heard about.

[TW]Fox · 20 Oct 2008 at 16:05

I cannot understand why a police officer would pull a car driving at exactly the speed limit at that sort of time in the morning and then proceed to be rude, aggresive and accuse the driver of a crime he obviously has not comitted and which the office, on his own, has no evidence of.

This is why I feel there must be more?

Deleted User 234324 · 20 Oct 2008 at 16:19

[TW]Fox;12733544 said:
I cannot understand why a police officer would pull a car driving at exactly the speed limit at that sort of time in the morning and then proceed to be rude, aggresive and accuse the driver of a crime he obviously has not comitted and which the office, on his own, has no evidence of.

This is why I feel there must be more?

Sounds like mr bacon got out the wrong side of the bed that morning!

Toker · 20 Oct 2008 at 16:20

[TW]Fox;12733544 said:
I cannot understand why a police officer would pull a car driving at exactly the speed limit at that sort of time in the morning and then proceed to be rude, aggresive and accuse the driver of a crime he obviously has not comitted and which the office, on his own, has no evidence of.

This is why I feel there must be more?

you've obviously not met many cops

[TW]Fox · 20 Oct 2008 at 16:25

Toker said:
you've obviously not met many cops

To be fair most 'normal' people wont have met loads of cops.

Justintime · 20 Oct 2008 at 16:28

Toker said:
you've obviously not met many cops

Young and Naïve. Before anyone starts i respect some police and appreciate they have a hard job but theres many out there who are doing it solely for the power over others and to be Mr Man. I/my friends etc.. have been intimidated and called names etc.. over the years by Londons finest, and NO i don't call the police the first thing if i get robbed/mugged etc... so thats that argument quashed since most of us know its pointless really, it seems they only want soft targets these days.

Toker · 20 Oct 2008 at 16:28

[TW]Fox;12733688 said:
To be fair most 'normal' people wont have met loads of cops.

Most 'normal' people have been out and about enough to meet at least one of the less scrupulous ones

Toker · 20 Oct 2008 at 16:30

Justintime said:
Young and Naïve.

Yes experiencing some "bad" cops in my lifetime makes me young and naive.

Everyone always instantly assumes that means I hate all cops, far from it - some of my best friends are cops, but even they will admit there are some complete tossers on the force. Luckily, in my experience, they tend to be outweighed by the sound coppers

edit: hold on a minute, after re-reading your post I think I've taken it the wrong way

Justintime · 20 Oct 2008 at 16:30

Toker said:
Yes experiencing some "bad" cops in my lifetime makes me young and naive.

Everyone always instantly assumes that means I hate all cops, far from it - some of my best friends are cops, but even they will admit there are some complete tossers on the force

Was not referring to you

idiot

read my post i was agreeing with you..

Toker · 20 Oct 2008 at 16:32

Justintime said:
Was not referring to you idiot
read my post i was agreeing with you..

heheh yea I saw that and edited, sorry

[TW]Fox · 20 Oct 2008 at 16:37

The only police officers i've met have been polite and courteous. I'm not saying there are not some grumpy ****'s in the force because obviously there is, but it takes more than a grumpy **** to deliberately pull a car comitting no offences whatsoever and then charge for an offence there is NO evidence of. One policemans word about speeding is not permissable in court either, there needs to be evidence OR two officers.

Which is why this story does not compute.

Street · 20 Oct 2008 at 17:10

I was pulled over a couple weeks back because my insurance company had made a mistake and got my registration wrong, hence my car flagged up as uninsured on their system.

These guys were polite, well mannered and totally professional. The did not treat me like a piece of **** and phoned around and we got to the bottom of the problem. The let me go and apologised for the inconvenience.

This guy was a **** pure and simple. I did nothing to annoy him as I know if I am polite they will most likely be OK. I'm not a mouthy little git like a lot of people, I was brought up well and am not rude or offensive. I was not speeding, and he had no way of knowing if I was or if I wasn't. My cruise control was set at 70 as I'd spotted him behind me. Why would I go ahead and speed when I have a copper sat behind me?

stoofa · 20 Oct 2008 at 18:22

[TW]Fox;12733783 said:
The only police officers i've met have been polite and courteous. I'm not saying there are not some grumpy ****'s in the force because obviously there is, but it takes more than a grumpy **** to deliberately pull a car comitting no offences whatsoever and then charge for an offence there is NO evidence of. One policemans word about speeding is not permissable in court either, there needs to be evidence OR two officers.

Which is why this story does not compute.

I was personally going to post something similar.
However the OP seems to have a massive amount of support and has managed to convince numerous people that maybe it wasn't even a member of the police who pulled him over....so I saved my fingers

There is a lot about the OP that doesn't compute, however I doubt we'll ever know exactly what transpired.

Street · 20 Oct 2008 at 18:55

stoofa said:
and has managed to convince numerous people that maybe it wasn't even a member of the police who pulled him over....so I saved my fingers

I never said that, other people have mentioned that, I said he was.

I'm not really bothered if people believe me. I know what happened and and don't appreciate being treated like a piece of crap but some jumped up angry little man on a power trip.

I am an honest person and I should be able to respect the guys in uniform, I should not have to put up with them calling me a blatant liar when he has no proof what so ever. I will quite happily procede with my complaint against him and have already spoken to the officer at my local station about it.

Meridian · 20 Oct 2008 at 19:04

[TW]Fox;12733783 said:
One policemans word about speeding is not permissable in court either, there needs to be evidence OR two officers.

Er- yes it is. But since it would then be one person's word against another the case would fail without any other corroborating evidence. Please don't confuse "the CPS won't bother bringing charges" with "it's not allowed in court".

But on the general principle of your earlier post I agree: there's something the OP isn't telling us. Now to be fair it is possible that it's a point-of-view thing: all too often something that looks sensible to you looks very dangerous to someone else.

But I missed something: how did he pull you over? You're saying it wasn't a police car, or it was, but wasn't a traffic one?

M

Street · 20 Oct 2008 at 19:16

It was a police car, but not a traffic one, didn't have the usual ANPR kit etc.

He was following me along the bypass from the start, I had already clocked him at the traffic lights at the start and he followed me from there. Apparently I pulled away from the lights too fast as well at the start. Although I pulled away on green and everyone else was still half asleep.

I went past two slower moving cars approaching the roundabout and pulled back across to turn off, thats when he turned the lights on and pulled me.

Justintime · 20 Oct 2008 at 19:19

Street said:
It was a police car, but not a traffic one, didn't have the usual ANPR kit etc.

He was following me along the bypass from the start, I had already clocked him at the traffic lights at the start and he followed me from there. Apparently I pulled away from the lights too fast as well at the start. Although I pulled away on green and everyone else was still half asleep.

I went past two slower moving cars approaching the roundabout and pulled back across to turn off, thats when he turned the lights on and pulled me.

To him it might have looked dangerous, especially if the others were just piddling along, misjudgement on his part about the speed i suppose. If it ever goes to court, ask for the calibration certificate on his retinas.

Gaygle · 20 Oct 2008 at 19:23

Justintime said:
To him it might have looked dangerous, especially if the others were just piddling along, misjudgement on his part about the speed i suppose.

I think the worst bit is the officer calling the OP and "****ing liar". I don't know why he would do this, but if it's true, he needs a grilling from his sgt.

Tom|Nbk · 20 Oct 2008 at 19:29

His word against yours etc.