*** Official Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning Thread***

roid said:
Yes i can break firecage in one second, but the next second im in another one, helpless.
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And that is precisely why they need to put in diminishing returns on CC. (not solely for BW, but all CC). You would have thought that Mythic will have learned from all those years of Mez and Stun in Daoc, that nobody enjoys "playing" when they can get repeatedly CC'ed into a statue.

They should just implement a CC system similar to what they had in Daoc (later Daoc), with all the comprehensive CC and anti-CC options. Or at the very least diminishing returns or CC immunity for X secs after purging a CC (even if just a small amount like 2 or 3 secs).

One of the single largest complaints in the early days of Daoc was stuff like people running around chain AoE Mezzing and Stunning (remember the midgard healer anyone? able to lockdown entire groups of people with chain AoE mez while they then just got picked off by focus attacks one by one with no way to counter. I do , cause I played one :D )

Having said that....a lot is going to change about the WAR classes in december. Some people will utterly hate the changes, some will utterly love them. There will be supremely happy people, and people so angry that they quit.
 
Well, at level 12/13, sword master, took part in my 1st ever keep attack, led by one fo the guys from our guild, was good fun. didnt take it in the end, to many noobs like me around causing him headaches, he never shouted once, well, not too loud lol...

Game was great, good fun, good atacks, everyone got stuck in and it showed the needs for TS lol...

Cant wait to get to lvl 14 now and get more attacks to help out..

See you all friday night!

ColiN - aka Thistlehand. Karek Eight-Peaks. WandR guild :)
 
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Have a character on Karak Eight Peaks, quite enjoying it so far but am currently only a lvl 5 Chaos Magus :)

RvR seems to be good fun!

In-game name is Lacutis.
 
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arknor said:
the fact that you said that is proof you dont play a bw or not one past lvl 25......

doing those buttons will get you nowhere , fireball is weak even if you spec into it.

what class cant break firecage within a second? you act like firecage is awesome when in reality its crap past lvl 20 and a single HOT takes care of the dots people like to spam around.
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seriously have IQ's dropped that much ? firstly im told ive not played a BW, then you come along and say 'thats is proof you dont play a BW or not past lvl 25', make your mind up silly .. feel free to come meet me ingame on Orrud if its soooo important to you

i dont think anywhere i mentioned that the firecage was 'awesome' as you put it haha, its a great skill that can be spammed every 15secs and even with the so called 50% break on dmg that doesnt means its a good escape policy, although it doesnt guarantee to save your life ...

like tombstone said the game badly needs diminished returns but more importantly it needs balancing in certain area's, if these future changes mean people who like their 'win' classes are upset then tough titty please take your rattles and leave, the rest of us will stay and enjoy the game more ;p ...
 
If Bright Wizards are so awesome how come my Sorcerer was outdamaging them all last night? The trick is learning to play your class and picking the right targets.
 
eekfek said:
seriously have IQ's dropped that much ? firstly im told ive not played a BW, then you come along and say 'thats is proof you dont play a BW or not past lvl 25', make your mind up silly .. feel free to come meet me ingame on Orrud if its soooo important to you

i dont think anywhere i mentioned that the firecage was 'awesome' as you put it haha, its a great skill that can be spammed every 15secs and even with the so called 50% break on dmg that doesnt means its a good escape policy, although it doesnt guarantee to save your life ...

like tombstone said the game badly needs diminished returns but more importantly it needs balancing in certain area's, if these future changes mean people who like their 'win' classes are upset then tough titty please take your rattles and leave, the rest of us will stay and enjoy the game more ;p ...
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my IQ? your the one with a fireball > boiling blood > detonate rotation.

thats the most retarded comment ever claiming those 3 spells = win.

if you had played at endgame you would realise even if you put every one of your dots on the same person it wont take much more than half of there health and it takes 12-15seconds.
roid said:
I've also witnesses scenarios where a bw has recieved 45k+ xp (and heard of 75k+ ), a testament to how the damage output vs survivability needs tweaking.
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i dont believe 75k it is really hard to get over 30k exp even if your team is owning destro at there spawn in serpents passage.

roid said:
Yes i can break firecage in one second, but the next second im in another one, helpless.
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20 second cool down, 12 with tactic no one uses.

after mourkains temple you will find you get fire caged by a random person a lot less.
 
Whirling pin is more useful than firecage at times imo, firecage is so obvious that its affecting you whereas the pin is a tiny animation. Also i can keep up with decent BW's and outdamage average ones by far by the end of t2, waiting to see how things change in t3 as when i was playing my chosen i didnt really notice SW's all that much.
 
Anim said:
Whirling pin is more useful than firecage at times imo, firecage is so obvious that its affecting you whereas the pin is a tiny animation. Also i can keep up with decent BW's and outdamage average ones by far by the end of t2, waiting to see how things change in t3 as when i was playing my chosen i didnt really notice SW's all that much.
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As an SW it's quite up and down.

SW's have the highest single target damage shots out of all classess (rank 2 morale, vengeance & festering arrow >3k crit hits at lvl 25 are common), but cooldowns stop us doing sustained damage to make us a real threat (vengeance lasts 7 seconds which is 2 shots, 3 if lucky and has a CD of 3 mins).

Too many SW are trying to compete against BW's with damage so tend to go down the skirmish tree to top the damage tables, but as scout spec I have noticed that they outdamage me, but I get more RP and XP as my kill blows are higher. Stand back and pick your target carefully, I tend to avoid tanks other than acid arrow (reduce their armour) and distracting shot (reduce their damage).

I'm enjoying WAR atm, I'm not finding emense imbalance (but I've never been on the other side of a BW :p). Some classes need a boost to make them a little more unique. Some inbalance issues are server specific, on Karak Hirn order lacks tanks and healers and they are the ones that make the biggest difference in rvr.
 
Speaking of DAoC, does anyone have any news on when the Origins server is going live, as I know it was pushed back but I can't seem to find any recent news on it?
 
Anyone else wonder how someone called 'combustion' was killing you all the time when you 1st played a BW, or just me?

I switched from BW to SM and find its great fun. although im not top of any damage tree, get me infront with shield wall up and the mages seem to be happy enough. Im only lvl 13 so not have much chance to find out the higher level skills yet, but over all i like this tank class.

Each has its ups and downs. I came across a lvl 14 chaos person, same as me, 1handed sword and sheild, so i thought, why not, only 1 level in it... he battered me with 50% hp left. either he had buffs, better armour/weapons, good spells that drain life and give it to him, or im just crap and need to learn how to play better... but its great fun to play.

Just wish i would stop getting 29sec respawns in the BG's...

My BW is only lvl12 too, so not had a lot of play, but i find its top of damage tree a lot, well was when level 11 and the fire cage is nice, but over powered???? the other side have chars that go through my BW like a hot knife through butter and the knock back arrgghh!! hate that lol, but its all part of the game :)

Still, combustion should be nerfed :)

<ColiN> - now a SM :)
 
Arknor, you need to simmer and learn that when someone has a differing opinion to you its actually allowed .. okay weve established i do have a BW correct ? and that im talking about my experience using it at the level i am , correct ? right .. okay clear your mind of all pre-conceived ideas and understand that what im stating can actually be correct ...

at my level i can hit upto 100k damage get tons of Kill blows and tons of renown from sitting back and just using those skills, and to me it takes no skill whereas a healer class can work their ass off keeping tanks alive swaying the battle having to respond to many diff things constantly only to receive tiny amounts of the above xp/renown/kb's .. the game isnt finished and isnt balanced, that will come with time ..

i want a challenge when im playing, BW's as they are now dont offer that to me so ive shelved it, they are overpowered and im not the only one who thinks that , if that upsets you mate i apologise ;p


rof @ 'Anyone else wonder how someone called 'combustion' was killing you all the time when you 1st played a BW, or just me?' colinuk .. good stuff
 
This morning i was with a sorc r39 (amusingly called Magus) taking some BO's in dragonwake, and when we commented about sorcs vs bws, he was quite happy with his damage output saying that his dots may not be as good, but the direct damage was far better, if he got a few lucky crits.

My understanding of the main issue is that bws get more effective insta DOTS, so they can be spammed without hesitation (given they have a healer) on multiple target while charging in or running away. Sorcs have to stand still, and thus surely are an easier target.
 
by the way, what side do most prefer ? Order or Destruction ? i think since playing my 'creeps' in Lotro i tend to side with whoever is the dark and evil so its destruction for me ;p
 
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Quick overview of sorc vs bw, stolen from www.warhammeralliance.com:
1) Playing with fire: Someone actually thought giving a ranged mortal strike that reduces healing by 50% wasn't powerful enough, so they buffed it to also damage any one who does heal. This damage proc happens per tick on HoT spells. To top it off it only requires 6 mastery points so every lvl 40 BW can easily pick it up.

2) Chocking smoke is an insta cast aoe silence for BW, stricken voices is the same exact spell for Sorc, but 2 second cast.

3) Detonate is a insta cast aoe dot that in a BW main line ability. Sorcs can get a similar ability by spending at least 6 points in calamity with Gloom of Night, but it is a 2 second cast. Why is the specced spell worse than the main line spell of the mirror class?

4) Boiling blood lowers corporeal resists significantly drastically improving BW dps. Word of Pain for Sorcs marginally reduces will power and requires 3 stacking casts to be even worth while there, each which can cause back lash and one dispel can remove all 3 stacks.

5) Spreading Flames is another insta cast AoE for Conflag specced BW's. None of the destruction spec (aoe for sorc) mastery skills stack with one another because they all have cast times and/or channeling.

6) stop drop and roll is a 3 second knock down insta cast which sorcs have no mirror.

7) Magic dart is a rank 1 morale with knock back. Sorc has no mirror.

Ruin and destruction is an AoE stun rank 2 morale which Sorc has no mirror to.


Other classes will need to be adjusted too for both sides, but at the moment the sorc is the best DPS class destruction has, and they are significantly behind BW's.
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Do sorcs have the issue BW's do with combustion then? not played a sorc so have no idea.

Hard to keep spamming dots when your on 100 combustion... just wondering.

ColiN
 
Finally got my swordmaster to rank 20 today and got my mount, also got some cool gear for my char at the auctionhouse :)

What rank did you guys go to tier 3? I'm thinking of going at about 21, as I can't do tier 2 scenarios then.
 
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