http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/pdfs/deer_2006/plenary2/2006_deer_mattes.pdf
I thought it may be of interest to some
I thought it may be of interest to some
Is this of interest to anyone - BMW Diesels
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cheers. 
You may have said that in Jest, but surely its down to personal preference?
Some diesels arn't fun to drive (I.E something thats N/A) but the majority of the newer cars are
Diesel is less fun to drive than a petrol, but its still fun
Diesel is less fun to drive than a petrol, but its still fun
Exactly my point, how is counted as a positive attribute for diesel, when it's not as good as the petrol? The reason is of course that many people are seduced by the power delivery of a turbo diesel, it feels quicker than a normaly aspirated petrol even if it isn't.
It doesnt have to be quicker to be fun. There is very little between the 530d and 530i in real world performance and both are pretty good to drive for the type of car they are. I certainly have fun in my 530d.
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Yea, you can get one of those blowup matresses in the back with the seats down can't you?
Some interesting sales stats too.
% sold with diesel engines:
1er: 58%
3er: 56%
7er: 70%
X3: 88%
X5: 89%
-making diesel more popular across the entire range. I would imagine the 3 series figures would swing the other way if you pulled all leased company cars out of it - although the petrol engines would be weighted heavily to the 318i and 320i.
Those stats are over 3 years old too, so the diesel %s will be even bigger now.
% sold with diesel engines:
1er: 58%
3er: 56%
7er: 70%
X3: 88%
X5: 89%
-making diesel more popular across the entire range. I would imagine the 3 series figures would swing the other way if you pulled all leased company cars out of it - although the petrol engines would be weighted heavily to the 318i and 320i.
Those stats are over 3 years old too, so the diesel %s will be even bigger now.
I fear its going to be virtually impossible to buy a nice AUC Petrol BMW in a few years time. Nobody is ordering, say, 530i Sports - they all go for 530d Sports even though the difference in economy is just 4-5mpg and the petrol is cheaper on company car tax.
This country has been brainwashed into thinking diesel = economical, petrol = not. It's so ingrained upon the pshcye of most of the country that people accept its the case without even bothering to look.
This country has been brainwashed into thinking diesel = economical, petrol = not. It's so ingrained upon the pshcye of most of the country that people accept its the case without even bothering to look.
[TW]Fox;12806732 said:Yea, you can get one of those blowup matresses in the back with the seats down can't you?
[TW]Fox;12807067 said:
The deisel engines do actually suit the E60 very well and they are right in thinking deisel is economical as it is. Its just not as financially econimical because of the price difference. The difference between the 530d and i isnt massive and the initial price difference is only £300-500. You have to be nuts to buy the petrol engine IMO especially when you look at reisdual values of anything with large petrol engines.
Well no, because the combined consumption on the petrol engine is a very impressive 40mpg. BMW have made huge progress with the efficiency of the latest petrol models. The gap in terms of fuel economy is no so small that it takes properly big miles to see a return from the diesel, especially when you consider the fuel is 10% more expensive, the warranty renewal or repair bills are more expensive, etc etc.
This is, unfortunately, true and its entirely down to public perception. People perceive petrol to be uneconomical, which reduces the value of the cars even though most peoples perceptions are flawed.
[TW]Fox;12807469 said:
Its not, the ED petrol cars arent much more efficient than the previous petrols same as the deisels arent miles different either. People aren't seeing anywhere near what the official combined figures are on petrol models(they arent hitting the official derv figures either but they are a lot closer), its seems they have made the car to work whatever test it is to reduce emissions and fit lower tax brackets. The dervs are still showing a lot better mpg in real terms. Theres been quite a few threads on fuel consumption on E60.net howing this to be the case. The new petrol engines arent cheap to repair either and have had massive warranty repairs on injectors so far, although they are now all being recalled for it.
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