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Nasty Artifacts + Driver Crashing

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See this post onwards for up-to-date details. I'd greatly appreciate any help at this point. :)



Ok, so I have had a portable cooker of a 4850 in my PC for about 3 weeks or so now, and its giving me headaches. Artifact headaches. :( Wasn't really a problem before, was only playing WAR Online and it would bring up that "Graphics Driver has Failed and been recovered" about every 5 hours or so, usually less. I just put it down to being a problem with WAR Online, everyone seemed to be having CTD's so I mentally filed it as a fault with WAR, and kept on going waiting for a patch or something.

But no...that was silly of me. Bought FALLOUT 3 on Friday there and while ti runs fine for the first 30 minutes or so, after that this happens:

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(Pic has been brightened for clarity)

Nasty nasty triangular "things" that extend to infinity everywhere. So, I thought, the fault is with me, not WAR Online. Whoops.

So I've been through the usual checklist (not in this order):

Check temps in ATi CCC - Fine, reads 64 degrees under load.
Try Memtest see if thats causing it - Nope, no errors for 18 hours. :o
Try Furmark (ATitool wont work, Vista x64) to see if its stable - Oddly yes. Happily runs overnight.
Update drivers - Problem still occurs.
Update Motherboard Drivers - Problem still occurs.
Update motherboard BIOS - Problem still occurs.
Re-seat Graphics Card - Problem still occurs.
Kick PC - Problem still occurs.

After all that and still getting the problem I decided that perhaps I didn't trust ATi's CCC and it was reading the temps wrong. So I ran Fallout till it crashed, then stuck my fingers on my Graphics cards heatsink too see if it actually melted my fingers. It didnt...the core part was fine.

HOWEVER, on the other side of the card I notice that there is some copper sheets covering some memory:

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And they are absolutely scalding. Definately not the 64 degrees that ATi CCC is reporting. So....I guess that ATi CCC doesn't read the memory temps.

Questions:

If the memory is scalding hot, would this cause artifacts? (Big, for emphasis, in case I'm barking up the wrong tree here)

Should these copper "slats" not have fins on them if they are for cooling?

Does anyone else have a Powercolor 4850 1GB PCS (I think thats the name) and would like to poke their copper slats and let me know if theirs are scalding hot under load?

How can I remedy this? A bit of Artic Silver Cement and some little memory heatspreaders I was thinking, but then wont this void my warranty?

Any suggestions? I've a Nuclear Wasteland to explore and I'd rather like to get back to saving it without being attacked by the faceless triangles of DOOM! :p
 
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What PSU do you have?

And can you stick a fan over the back of the card? Overheating memory could very likely be the problem.
 
I'd whip the side cover off & point a Big house fan onto the card & CPU, If it runs sweet then it's a heat issue, Sounds like heat to me.
If it is heat then it's up to you to either reseat & improve cooling or return the card.
Personally I'd like to see a pic of the Whole of the inside of your case to see if General air circulation could be improved throughout the Whole case. If your case cooling is up to it then return the card but if you run a cluttered non air circulating case I'd just sort it out & get on with it myself.
 
u should take than plastic from crossfire connectors before it melts. had similar problem with asus 4870 in all games had similar cooler as powercolor and no ramsinks . returned it back gots powercolor 4870 1 gig with stock cooler and had no problems at all.
 
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Thats the inside of the case as it is now malc, with the ghetto electrical taped top of GPU fan in place. If you stick your hand in there theres a good breeze flowing through.

2 x 120mm intake fans on the front there, thats a 92mm Vapochill fan I nicked off an old CPU cooler I had on the back, have it running at full blast, its quiet enough. Case temps are about 38 degrees, 48 on the NB, 45 on the CPU. Oh, theres a PCI slot blower mounter there underneath the graphics card. Ignore the Fan controller, thats been a temporary addition for the last two days. Couldnt find a better place to put it, cables not long enough to reach to the 5.25" slots on the other side of the case.

Couldn't get the case side for the cover for the other half of the case off, the screw dosen't seem to want to budge, anyway in the other half there's just th3 3x HDD's, DVD drive and PSU. Has 1 x 120mm intake, 2 x 120mm Exits (on top of case, used to be a rad there but I got fed up of watercooling) to pull out a bit of the hot air from he motherboard side of the case. The PSU is at the bottom of the other side, and its exit fan blows cold air, doesnt seem to get hot.

The crossfire connector plastic bit doesn't seem to get hot? Its on a "cold" part of the card.

Gah.....just noticed that the flash has "frozen" my fans and made the dust show up. :o
 
Hmm....doesn't seem to be temps. Downloaded GPU-Z and Fallout 3 caused the display driver the crash after about 10 seconds in game, but didnt have any graphical errors.

At the time of the crash GPU-Z was reporting the MEMIO sensor to be 41 degrees. Touched the copper bits and it wasn't hot at all.

Bloody things just crashed again too, just opening the title sequence.

Just tried disconnecting 2 x HDD's and the Optical drive to see if that made any difference. Nope. Still crashes. Might toddle downstairs whilethe housemate is out and "borrow" his 1950XT. If that works, then its the 4850, yes?
 
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maybe try to uninstall the drivers then use driver sweeper and install again.

also uninstall in safe mod your display adapter in(located in control panel-> device manager). then restart pc and try installing latest 8.10 drivers ?
 
maybe try to uninstall the drivers then use driver sweeper and install again.

also uninstall in safe mod your display adapter in(located in control panel-> device manager). then restart pc and try installing latest 8.10 drivers ?

Done both of those already last night and it didn't make any difference. :(
 
This exact problem happens on my X1900 btw... until it crashes the display.

(can remote desktop in, so doesn't bork the pc.)

I figured it was heat.
 
I'm wondering if perhaps its the motherboard, as its an old Abit Falal1ty FP-IN9 SLi. The latest BIOS for the board isn't very recent.

"Bios Issue Date:2007/12/17" to be exact.
 
Yes yes, it needs a bit of compressed air in there, I know. I hate doing it, it brings on my asthma.

So, could it be the motherboard, due to it being "out of date"?

I know its not heat and its not power. Tried it in housemates PC and its fine for him, hot at 75 degrees, but doesn't crash. Hes a smaller PSU too.
 
I think more importantly You need to review Your cooling...Looks to Me like You have 2 120's blowing in with a single 80 taking the heat out !
Hot air expands so look to having 1.5 times the front fan capacity at the back for a balanced system
 
I think more importantly You need to review Your cooling...Looks to Me like You have 2 120's blowing in with a single 80 taking the heat out !
Hot air expands so look to having 1.5 times the front fan capacity at the back for a balanced system

Its not heat. The bloody thing does it when the case side is off and there's a standard house fan heater blowing cold air into the case.

System doesn't get hot either. Theres 2x 120mm exit fans mounted in the top of the other half of the case. Buggered if I know why why only thought it needed a 92mm Outtake fan on the side of the motherboard.
 
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