Poll: McCain Vs Obama - Forum Vote

Who would you vote for?

  • Obama

    Votes: 1,045 90.2%
  • McCain

    Votes: 113 9.8%

  • Total voters
    1,158
A university lecturer of mine visits Ghana (or Gambia) every-year to conduct microbial research.

He commented once how Western charities had improved the villages quality of life by building a water well, and educating them on clean water and hygiene. One year he returned, he found the villagers had resorted to old practices of drinking dirty water, using the same water as a toilet and for washing... all because the well had broken. There as another well less than 2 miles away. Whereas before they would happily walk miles for water, since the clean water was at their doorstep, they came to expect it.

Education isn't everything.

Teach them to fix it. I'm not talking about charity, really, I'm talking about education systems like we have in the west, which are funded by the wealthy and given to the poor for free. Education is pretty much everything, in my book.

But, I agree that the help has to be of the right sort. You agree that the poor should be helped, I take it? Would it be presumptuous to assume that you would prefer that society rely on charitable donations to support the poor?
 
Anyway, McCain could take Obama in a fight, he is tough, stocky and was a POW, Obama is a lanky prettyboy. :D

McCain can't lift his arms above his shoulder height, that could be a disadvantage in a fight with a taller opponent. Lots of bodyshots perhaps but nothing above that...

Oh, and another point, I know I am a sick man but I think Sarah Palin is the epitome of milfy hotness and I need to see more of her in the coming years. :o :p

Couldn't you just get a subscription to some magazine that caters to such tastes rather than wishing her on what we laughingly call the civilised World for the next 4 years?

What is this humanity you speak of?

Give a man a fish and he'll expect a fish everyday. Help those that help themselves.

A "Robin Hood" strategy is unsustainable.

You've just reminded me of a rather tasteless joke:
Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for the day, set him on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
 
I have been watching bbc news 24 and they have talked to some of the voters to ask for who they voted for and why, and it seems like a lot of black people are voting for obama just because he is black. They dont seem to care about any of the changes he will make or if he will even be a good leader, all they are basing their vote on is the colour of his skin.

People sometime complain about the person who is running a country, but the voters are themselves to blaim for voting for stupid reasons, and not voting based on the important facts.
 
Teach them to fix it. I'm not talking about charity, really, I'm talking about education systems like we have in the west, which are funded by the wealthy and given to the poor for free. Education is pretty much everything, in my book.

But, I agree that the help has to be of the right sort. You agree that the poor should be helped, I take it? Would it be presumptuous to assume that you would prefer that society rely on charitable donations to support the poor?

They wouldn't fix it. That's the point... they'd come to expect help so there is no motivation to better themselves. This is what has happened in the UK with our benefit system joke and will follow to the US now.

Why should I work if you are going to pay for everything for me? :)

Now, of course the poor should be helped - heck I may be poor one day. There is just a dramatic difference between being poor through choice and circumstance. Equally, the rich shouldn't be penalised for being rich.

I have been watching bbc news 24 and they have talked to some of the voters to ask for who they voted for and why, and it seems like a lot of black people are voting for obama just because he is black. They dont seem to care about any of the changes he will make or if he will even be a good leader, all they are basing their vote on is the colour of his skin.

 
They wouldn't fix it. That's the point... they'd come to expect help so there is no motivation to better themselves. This is what has happened in the UK with our benefit system joke and will follow to the US now.

Why should I work if you are going to pay for everything for me? :)

Now, of course the poor should be helped - heck I may be poor one day. There is just a dramatic difference between being poor through choice and circumstance. Equally, the rich shouldn't be penalised for being rich.

I reckon there's a big difference between benefits for the unemployed and taxing the rich heavily to pay for health, education, police etc.

You should work 'cause you have self-worth, because you want more than the minimum required to live, because you want a future, because you don't want to be bored! These are actually fairly universal needs.
 
Tax based on carbon footprints? Better tax volcanoes and cows then....

:rolleyes:
Why shouldn't you be taxed on the level of damage you do too this beautiful planet that allows for our very existence :confused:
Seems a very fair and logical idea to me!
Why shouldn't someone who damages the earth and drains it's resources massively not pay a premium to do this???
Would it be fair for them to pay the same tax as people who have decided to live a modest low consumption life??
 
I reckon there's a big difference between benefits for the unemployed and taxing the rich heavily to pay for health, education, police etc.

You should work 'cause you have self-worth, because you want more than the minimum required to live, because you want a future, because you don't want to be bored! These are actually fairly universal needs.

Okay, so I earn 100 times more than you... why should I pay more for my healthcare? Policing? Education?

That's so (positively) discriminatory it's unbelievable.

:rolleyes:
Why shouldn't you be taxed on the level of damage you do too this beautiful planet that allows for our very existence :confused:
Seems a very fair and logical idea to me!
Why shouldn't someone who damages the earth and drains it's resources massively not pay a premium to do this???
Would it be fair for them to pay the same tax as people who have decided to live a modest low consumption life??
Because those doing the most damage are some of the poorest people on the planet (India, China).

It's like UK being taxed for carbon footprint, when ours is equivalent to a single China fart.
 
Okay, so I earn 100 times more than you... why should I pay more for my healthcare? Policing? Education?

That's so (positively) discriminatory it's unbelievable.
I thought that in most places the rich are taxed more. Its just logical - people who can afford more should pay more tax, although not to their detriment.

It should only be to an extent, but the rich should definately be taxed more than the poor. Its the extent which is debatable.
 
Do you know what, I really hate that term 'african american'. Most so called 'african americans' don't even know where Africa is!

How the **** can you be of two places, you are either American or you are African, just in the same way you are British and nothing else. Your ethnicity should make no difference, if in any country on the planet, surely the USA is the template. We have similar problems in the UK with idiots thinking they can have a foot in both camps, well, IMHO, you can't.

While we are on the subject of religion, I find it absolutely frightening that these religious frootloops are in charge of the the most powerful military machine ever seen. It makes me uncomfortable, especially when they start quoting from Revelations! :eek:

a friend of mine recently showed me some pictures from a holiday in new york they included pictures of a polish parade and an indian womens festival!

On the subject of tax, working and middle class are dumb to buy the line about taxing the rich more, because the rich can easily move their money to tax havens. the only people that will be paying more tax are the working and middle class.
 
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Okay, so I earn 100 times more than you... why should I pay more for my healthcare? Policing? Education?

That's so (positively) discriminatory it's unbelievable.


Because those doing the most damage are some of the poorest people on the planet (India, China).

It's like UK being taxed for carbon footprint, when ours is equivalent to a single China fart.

Because you and the UK can afford it! We're talking percentages here, scaling with wealth as compared to the national average wage. Either it comes from the rich, or it comes from nowhere, because the poor can't afford it! They're poor.
 
I thought that in most places the rich are taxed more. Its just logical - people who can afford more should pay more tax, although not to their detriment.

It should only be to an extent, but the rich should definately be taxed more than the poor. Its the extent which is debatable.

So If you came into a store I could charge you $10 for a banana but only charge $1 to some other guy. Just because you can afford to pay more?

The logic in that is so flawed it's unbelievable.
 
Because you and the UK can afford it! We're talking percentages here, scaling with wealth as compared to the national average wage. Either it comes from the rich, or it comes from nowhere, because the poor can't afford it! They're poor.

Its not a fixed percentage though, this is the problem, as salary goes up the bloody percentage goes up too!
 
?! That's what I'm saying!

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Whats wrong with a fixed percentage?

20% of 10,000 = 2,000
20% of 1,000,000 = $200,000

Rich person is still paying more tax but it's still reasonable.

20% of 10,000 = $2000
40% of 1,000,000 = $400,000

Increasing the percentage has a double effect to the point where that is blindingly unfair.

Increasing the taxes too much makes real the risk of investors and large contributors to our economy run off, something which we cant afford at this time.

An example of this is the Owners of Campbell's soup who forfeited their American Citizenship and now live in a tax haven raking in the money. If the US had just given them a tax break they would have likely stayed and the US would have got at least some revenue.
 
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You are voting for a guy whose name you cannot spell? Can we also have the rest of that sentence in English please :rolleyes:

The line he's saying is a 4chan fad, it's intentional word for word, misspellings included. The fad stopped months ago though, it shouldn't be cropping up right now :p
 
So If you came into a store I could charge you $10 for a banana but only charge $1 to some other guy. Just because you can afford to pay more?

The logic in that is so flawed it's unbelievable.

Poor analogy tbh!

A better one would be, one of the guys walks to the shop and the other guy travels from the other side of the planet on his private jet!
Of course the bloke who came on the jet should pay more for his banana as his very actions are far more damaging to the actual existence of the banana in the first place!
 
So If you came into a store I could charge you $10 for a banana but only charge $1 to some other guy. Just because you can afford to pay more?

The logic in that is so flawed it's unbelievable.
What, its nothing like that at all :confused:

I'm talking about tax on earnings, not goods.
 
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