What do I say to her?

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In February, my best female friend (I've known her for most of my life) split up with her boyfriend of four years, with whom she lived. I was pleased about this, as he's occasionally violent towards her, always negative and moody with her, always undermines her with horrible comments and smokes cannabis all the time. And he always promised her that he would never do these things again, and then carried on doing them. You all know his type, I'm sure.

She's been finding it difficult to move on completely from him and stop loving him despite wanting to, particularly as he wouldn't stop texting her and asking to see her, telling her about how upset he is, how he wants to kill himself, how he wants to move down to be with her (she moved away to another city 3 hours away) and how he wants to have a 'new start/new life' with her and how he wants to marry her, etc.

For the past four months, she's been seeing someone else - a decent person who really treats her far better than her ex did. She's admitted having feelings for him - but this weekend, she came back up to attend a party, and also went to have a good chat with her ex. She then indicated that she really misses him (the ex) and is still in love with him.

I really didn't think this was good for her, and I've just sent her a honest e-mail outlining how the ex has lots of bad things about him, and how she should concentrate on moving on, as she wanted to, and not fall for whatever he's said to her.

We've arranged to talk about the situation (obviously I'm trying to persuade her to think about things rationally and go back to her original intention of moving on), and I need to prepare myself with some good questions and/or phrases to put to her - basically, the type of questions/phrases that really really prove my points and concerns right, and to which she can't really have an answer.

What's the best way to approach these conversations and are there any ideas for these phrases/questions?
 
You're trying to address 'love' with a rational argument; good luck.

I'm sorry to sound cynical, but I don't think that there is a lot you can do. Her reactions to this guy are emotional and so no amount of rational logical argument is going to change her mind.
 
You're trying to address 'female' with a rational argument; good luck.

I'm sorry to sound cynical, but I don't think that there is a lot you can do. Her reactions to this guy are emotional and so no amount of rational logical argument is going to change her mind.
 
Sorry dude, I've seen the exact same thing happen to 5 of my female friends over the past 10 years, being 'in love' with a total no-hope loser, and taking forever to move on and realise what a waste of time and energy it was.

I swear some women honestly think they can 'fix' a broken man.
 
You're trying to address 'female' with a rational argument; good luck.

I'm sorry to sound cynical, but I don't think that there is a lot you can do. Her reactions to this guy are emotional and so no amount of rational logical argument is going to change her mind.

:D
 
I swear some women honestly think they can 'fix' a broken man.

aye odd thing that.

To the OP try get her to explain why she loves the ex. IF she is still in love with him she should have no problem at all saying why she loves him. If she cant my guess is its lust and not love.

Either way mate your gunna struggle.

Say ever thought you might be a good BF for her ? :p
 
Feelings of love and attachment are very strong.

If no emotional reasoning gets through to her, try stone-cold logic instead.

The chemicals for love and attachment do hang around and pull you in hard - oxytocin is one, the "cuddle chemical" - because she's been with him for so long, so much of it has been released when around him that the bond feels instinctive and out of her control.

Remind her it /is/ in her control but that she needs to keep away from him for long enough (maybe another 6 months?) that this chemical response dies down and is no longer tied to him... And then she'll be free to see him as he really is, and be in full power to make the right choice, whatever that is.
 
The chemicals for love and attachment do hang around and pull you in hard - oxytocin is one, the "cuddle chemical" - because she's been with him for so long, so much of it has been released when around him that the bond feels instinctive and out of her control.

Obviously a chemical solution is the answer, have you thought about GHB or rohypnol?
 
Good luck to you mate, its not going to be easy at all, maybe even impossible, to get her to see this situation logically. One of my best friends keeps on going back to his gf even though she has cheated on him 3 times, the third time not just a one off but over a 6 month time span! He can't get away from her because he loves her, even though he often tells me how much she annoys him and how he is really angry about her cheating.

As everyone else has said, logic and rational decision-making are often impossible when emotions and feelings are involved. Going by experience, it will probably take a long time for your friend to truly get over her ex and move on, though moving away from him is the first step. Maybe she should change her phone number so that he can't contact her any more.
 
Just leave her to it mate. If she is stil in love with him you are not going to make her see sense. She will only realise the bloke is a dick head when he beats her half to death. Women will never learn the easy way with blokes, they always learn the hard way.
 
You'd support a friend's choice to stay with an abusive partner?

No but sometimes they just won't listen. So be there to support them when they need you but you can only push it so far.

If you push too hard, you won't be around as a friend to help pick up the peices anymore.
 
Tell her to stop being such a dumb whore and unless she wants to end up as one of those pathetic women who gets beaten then tells everyone she falls over then she should jolly well stay the **** down there.

Also show her pictures of deadbeats because thats what she will end up as if she is some some turd horse.

Also send her old bf an email telling him he is a wasteman and that instead o hitting women he should come hit you.
 
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