Received a letter from Virgin Media.

mp3kla said:
Hey,

Received a letter today from Virgin Media and BPI saying a file had been downloaded from my IP.

I've spoken to all of my uni housemates and we've found out who downloaded it, I've discussed it with them and I don't think they'll be doing it again.

I also phoned Virgin Media Security and discussed the situation with them, which they seemed pleased with and have put a note on my account saying that I have reacted and will be making an attempt to educate my housemates.


I'm worried that it might happen again though, I've told the individual that she might be unknowingly uploading the file when the programs load at startup.

Is there any site or info on blocking the ports associated with p2p networks, or maybe even any software that could be added to the router.

Router is a Netgear WG614v9.
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tbh they shouldn't know your ip new eu legislation means ip = personal property they shouldn't be scanning ... although they get away with it its hideous tbh
 
knowlesy said:
tbh they shouldn't know your ip new eu legislation means ip = personal property they shouldn't be scanning ... although they get away with it its hideous tbh
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How can people claim their IP is personal property if they annouce it to torrent trackers when they download torrents? If a copyright enforcing company is sitting on a tracker and just waiting for people annouce themselves then they are not actively seeking out offenders, its the offenders to publicly annouce their IP on the tracker. If people want their IP to be treated like personal property they shouldnt go arround telling people it.
 
i never said people did ......

i said they eu did ........

meaning scanning peoples ips and hording them is technically illegal.....

ok for instance ..... "so you sind up to a website and its trickily named do you want third parties to have this info etc "

and you don't read it correctly etc

and all of a sudden your getting spammed like hell,

ok maybe your fault but still an accident thats why eu brought rules in on spam and ip .....


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knowlesy said:
i never said people did i said they eu did meaning scanning peoples ips and hording them is technically illegal..... ok for instance ..... so you sing up to a website and its trikily named do you want third parties to have this info etc and you dont read it etc and all of a sdden your gettin spammed like hell, ok maybe your fault but still an accident thats why eu brought rules in on spam and ip .....
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English??
 
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How can people claim their IP is personal property if they annouce it to torrent trackers when they download torrents? If a copyright enforcing company is sitting on a tracker and just waiting for people annouce themselves then they are not actively seeking out offenders, its the offenders to publicly annouce their IP on the tracker. If people want their IP to be treated like personal property they shouldnt go arround telling people it.
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I think you'll find that to do anything on the internet you have to tell 'someone' your ip.
 
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strange one tbh, i download everything but music via torrents, and never had a letter from them yet (8years as a customer), i'll keep away from downloading music.
 
I cant quite decide if its also a bit like entrapment (Maybe that only works if the police are selling i'm not sure). I guess you could look at it in two ways.

1. You announce you have somthing illegal for sale.
The police 'buy' it from you then arrest you for selling it.

2. You announce you have somthing illegal for sale.
The police perform a structured legal process to detain and search you for that item.

To me this whole method is akin to the first described event and therefore is surely rather like entrapment and not that legitimate? Maybe there are legal processes out there to govern this detective work, if so i'd like to know what they are.
 
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If you announce you have something for sale and the police buy it, that is not entrapment, you have made the offer. Entrapment would be if the police came up to you and asked you to sell them something which was illegal, thats entrapment, the fact you've made the offer means you dont have a leg to stand on
 
and Virgin Media wonder why they are loosing customers hand over foot........ Downloading one west life track isnt exactly going to hurt anyone
 
i dont see why you are blaiming virgin for this one, dont get me wrong they are crap but a lot of ISPs would do the same thing. and yes one mp3 would make a difference to those concerned, its like saying ' well i only stole £1 so it doesn't matter'. the downloader should just download smarter like ecrypted torrent or rapidshare etc
 
jas07 said:
and Virgin Media wonder why they are loosing customers hand over foot........ Downloading one west life track isnt exactly going to hurt anyone
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Erm you are aware that VM, like most UK ISP's sends these letters out when they are informed by the rights holders of the activity - I don't think there is a single UK ISP who wouldn't send such a letter out in response to the likes of Sony contacting them because a customer was sharing a track on limewire/kazaa/bit torrent.

It's not that VM want to send them out, but rather that when they are informed of such an activity they have to at least pay lip service to enforcing their T&C and keeping inside of the law.
ISP's are pretty much "common carriers", and thus aren't normally liable for something a customer does that is illegal, when they don't know about it - however once informed of their customers breaking the law they take action.
Cue the standard letter sent out.

The letter is just vm (and most other isp's) way of keeping within the law and letting the customer know that they are breaking the (standard to most ISP's) terms and conditions of the provision of the service.
 
lopkinfop said:
i dont see why you are blaiming virgin for this one, dont get me wrong they are crap but a lot of ISPs would do the same thing. and yes one mp3 would make a difference to those concerned, its like saying ' well i only stole £1 so it doesn't matter'. the downloader should just download smarter like ecrypted torrent or rapidshare etc
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Encrypting torrent traffic wont make any difference, the companies who look for offenders can simply connect to a tracker transfering their copyrighted material, and log all IPs who transfer to them. Encrypting the traffic only stops ISPs seeing whats being transfered, but they are not the ones looking anyway, its the people who connect to trackers looking for copyright offenders who simply log your IP, then send a letter to your ISP to pass on to you, and encrypting the traffic wont stop that.
 
Werewolf said:
Erm you are aware that VM, like most UK ISP's sends these letters out when they are informed by the rights holders of the activity - I don't think there is a single UK ISP who wouldn't send such a letter out in response to the likes of Sony contacting them because a customer was sharing a track on limewire/kazaa/bit torrent.

It's not that VM want to send them out, but rather that when they are informed of such an activity they have to at least pay lip service to enforcing their T&C and keeping inside of the law.
ISP's are pretty much "common carriers", and thus aren't normally liable for something a customer does that is illegal, when they don't know about it - however once informed of their customers breaking the law they take action.
Cue the standard letter sent out.

The letter is just vm (and most other isp's) way of keeping within the law and letting the customer know that they are breaking the (standard to most ISP's) terms and conditions of the provision of the service.
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reading all this from torrentfreak etc but virgins ceo hates the joly old pirates and talk talks ceo loves them well.... actually rather hates the bpi & co but agreed isps hate having to send these letters out as they will be loosing customers


in america theres going to be a tv series on how pirates help the world of tek it should be some interesting views etc and to be honest if people didnt use bit torrent etc we probably wouldnt be looking at as fast speeds from our isps (yes its been a collaberation from games etc) but in general some piracy is behind most of the drive in internet and hardware ..
 
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Must have just been unlucky they caught you for this one track.

I recently had to fix a pc for someone as email was broken and it had some platte spyware issue.

Oh how I chuckled when I saw he had 7 films seeding on uttorent.

I asked him why he was seeding all these films still and he said oh my nephew said I can't stop seeding them.

One of the 700 meg films up to 8 gig uploaded lol.
 
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