Test drove an electric Mini today

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BMW made 500 electric mini's exclusively for California. I caught a glimpse whilst they were in their last stages of production and I never thought we would get a chance to see them as they were being shipped abroad to have some additional parts installed.

At work my manager sent me an email asking me to meet him outside his office today to test out a new toy. I was confused, so I met him there. He invited a few other colleagues and told us more about the market and a few other company specific issues.

Upon first sight, It's exactly the same as a Cooper S with a few subtle external mods like the number of the vehicle on the side, style of lights, badges etc

The sun just started to set so the lights were on, it had quite a presence over the 60-70 cars in the car park (variety of coopers, 1, 3, 5 series and a few X's).

My colleagues started off doing a lap each, what I can say? It was ridiculously quiet! The only thing you can hear from the outside is just the body rolling, it was like a floating car! One guy jumped in he started to give it some, seeing the car from a distance go from 5mph - 30mph without any noise was actually quite strange.

After waiting with anticipation, it was my turn! Wooo :D

I sat in one lap with my colleague, then he got out and I jumped into the drivers seat. The interior was like again a cooper S, the lights were a tad bit brighter imo, the dash was similar, however the main rev counter was replaced with a battery meter which had a trip computer on there and other bits of info. However, the difference was, there was no clutch as it's an automatic, and there was a strange knob which looked like a nuclear launch button near the gearbox, as it was dark I couldn't really see much else. There was the sound of a fan/compressor I was told, which sounds like heater on high which was the only noticable sound.

Having never drove an automatic or electric car before, I was a bit baffled so I had double checked everything to save any embarrasing moments as there was a 335i parked next to it. I procedeed to move the position of the transmition into D and I gave it some light throttle not knowing what to expect, the car didn't move :confused:

I then proceeded to give it a little more throttle and my surroundings started to move. It was weird, a slight whurring noise started whispering (those of you who own electric RC cars know of the sound), after a while I pressed the throttle some more, there was a steady but rapid response. I let go of the gas and I hit the brakes and it was extremely sharp, I was like "woah!", car almost halted! After another straight, I then realised the motor rapidly slows down like brakes. The handling was as expected, after taking a sharp 90 deg turn, it was extremely responsive. On the longest straight I put my foot to the floor for a few seconds and the power of delivery was just an experience! You could hear your surroundings woosh by, like it was a live orchestra!

It was a great, short experience. It felt so strange being in such a quiet car, not quite sure how to explain. It's like you're inside a electric go kart.

It can do approx 150 miles on a full charge which is powered by a 150kW motor, full recharge is approx 2 and a half hours. Full charge draws 28kw/h. Top speed is limited to 95mph and 0-62 is 8.5 secs.

I don't know as much as most of you motoring bods. I can however, try my best to answer any questions if you have any. As you guys can appreciate, there's only so much I'm allowed to talk about.
 
It can do approx 150 miles on a full charge which is powered by a 150kW motor, full recharge is approx 2 and a half hours. Full charge draws 28kw/h. Top speed is limited to 95mph and 0-62 is 8.5 secs.


That's quite a useful range, makes it far more viable for commuting than the poxy little eletric cars that can only scrape 50 miles. Performance is also very good. Does it have rear seats and a usable boot (as useable as any MINI boot is anyway)?
 
28kw/h is about £3.50

Would be amazing for a commute.

Overnight rate in my flat makes it around £1.50 for a full charge. My commute over the week is about 150 miles and costes me £25 or so. £1000 per year saving for 7500 miles. The premium over a normal mini would be interesting to see, but residuals and the life of the battery before replacement would be key.
 
Overnight rate in my flat makes it around £1.50 for a full charge. My commute over the week is about 150 miles and costes me £25 or so. £1000 per year saving for 7500 miles. The premium over a normal mini would be interesting to see, but residuals and the life of the battery before replacement would be key.

Yeah, the battery life and costs of replacement would be what will make or break this car, does anyone have any idea how long they last?
 
Thinking about this, why the hell arnt these out? I would go as far to say that i would actually buy one if they made a luxury version with air suspension and double glazing etc. With my mileage rates the car would probably pay for itself in a couple of years. Especially if it was fed on an eco7 tariff.

Must be the batteries?
 
28kw/h is about £3.50

Would be amazing for a commute.

Or for just around town ;)



A bit dangerous not hearing cars driving around. I would like a go though.

Easily sorted - put in a hidden speaker and set it up to give that authentic Shelby Cobra sound ;)


It sounds like an interesting car, probably somethig that a lot of people with second cars (or who just use their car locally) could use - the only real problem is the 28kw/h consumption at max charge, it would need a dedicated breaker if you charged it at home.
 
As far as I'm aware current battery technology means they've got a useful life of about 2-3 years and cost several thousand to replace.
 
Thinking about this, why the hell arnt these out? I would go as far to say that i would actually buy one if they made a luxury version with air suspension and double glazing etc. With my mileage rates the car would probably pay for itself in a couple of years. Especially if it was fed on an eco7 tariff.

Must be the batteries?
Not sure why the cars aren't becoming widespread yet, we are currently running quite a few of these, with more on order:

http://www.smithelectricvehicles.com/casestudies_tnt.asp
 
Not sure why the cars aren't becoming widespread yet, we are currently running quite a few of these, with more on order:

http://www.smithelectricvehicles.com/casestudies_tnt.asp

Seriously, stick a big electric motor in a decent merc or bmw and i'd buy one, as would loads of people i know.

Why arnt they out, i dont get it :confused: "Several" grand every 2-3 years is fine, the service costs of the normal V8 eclipse that anyway.
 
Just reading through the Smith Electric website, the trucks have a 5 year battery warranty - surely if they can get a 7.5 tonne commercial vehicle battery to last they can do it with a car?

"Advanced Battery Technology

Peace of mind with a 5 year warranty.

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Smith is proud to incorporate Lithium-Ion Iron Phosphate battery technology. This provides a robust energy storage system with improved efficiencies, in a completely safe format.

The advanced Lithium-Ion Iron Phosphate battery technology provides cost-effective levels of capability, performance and safety in electric vehicles.

Supplied in robust, long-life battery packs, Smith intelligently package the batteries around the vehicle chassis. This improves weight distribution and affords our customers greater flexibility for battery recharge times and vehicle payload.

Lithium-Ion Iron Phosphate delivers twice the run time of the equivalent lead-acid battery pack, at a 35% weight reduction.

The batteries take 8 hours to charge from 0 to 100%, or can be topped up when needed"


Far less moving parts, no oil/filter services or similar, zero road tax. The limiting factors must be initial cost and battery range, I guess these cannot be produced cheapley enough yet to make them widely viable.
 
Thinking about this, why the hell arnt these out? I would go as far to say that i would actually buy one if they made a luxury version with air suspension and double glazing etc. With my mileage rates the car would probably pay for itself in a couple of years. Especially if it was fed on an eco7 tariff.

Must be the batteries?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7707847.stm

Mitsubishi, which plans to release its own electric car soon, estimates that the demand for lithium will outstrip supply in less than 10 years unless new sources are found.

And they have ended up in Bolivia.

"The demand for lithium won't double but increase by five times," according to Eichi Maeyama Mitsubishi's general manager in La Paz.

"We will need more lithium sources - and 50% of the world's reserves of lithium exist in Bolivia, in the Salar de Uyuni," he adds, pointing out that without new production, the price of lithium will rise prohibitively

in the 15th century Bolivia got bummed by the west nicking all its commodoties and leaving it poor.

If they started mass producing these cars they would need to sweet talk Bolivia into exporting is lithium. even then it might not even be enough.

To begin with the pilot plant will produce no more than 1.2 kilotonnes a year.

If an industrial plant is then built it may increase to around 30 kilotonnes by 2012, - thats just under a third of current production.

But most lithium now goes to small batteries for electronic goods.

Car batteries are far larger and Mitsubishi estimates the world will need 500 kilotonnes a year just to service a niche market. For electric cars to become the norm, it could need far more.

Mitsubishi predicts that there will be a supply shortage by 2015.

If there isn't enough lithium to make the battiers the electric car is dead before it truely gets off its feet.
 
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