That is a fair point, I still haven't driven a GT-R yet so I have nothing first hand on its abilities other than what we have read and from speaking to people who have driven one but I suspect it's like my RS4 in many ways, just LOTS quicker. Nissan have built something that most people can exploit far easier than a a GT version of the 911 so from that standpoint its fair to say if you want to go quick on road the Nissan is the better, safer and much more easy to exploit or the two. My point was more about living with it day to day rather than its pace and on this point the current 997's are a big step forwards and the GT2 felt little different to the Turbo on the short trip I took, though sharper and quicker. My 996 would follow every little slope, dip or undulation in the road where as the 997's deal with them much better and are far more pliant for day to day use. I would expect them to be no harder to live with than a GT-R though on a wet bumpy road I suspect the Nissan would be the car to keep your nerves more intact.
GT2 vs GT-R @ The Ring!!
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Does the article not state that it is using the lesser of the Nissan factory offered tyres and the very poor weather conditions?
If I read that right (and my reading is often very poor and brief) then surely a 7:29 time in the best conditions with the better tyres would be believable?
If I read that right (and my reading is often very poor and brief) then surely a 7:29 time in the best conditions with the better tyres would be believable?
And I bet they had to turn the stability whateveritscalled stuff off on the Nissan so if it broke the warranty would have been worth less than toilet paper
The launch control? can't see that making a huge difference to 'ring times.
So in the dry with a driver who helped develop the car can not knock off 26secs in just over 12 miles and 100 corners with the sticker rubber? i dunno... might just do it imo. Not that ive driven the GTR or the "ring".
Nope, not according to the man behind the wheel.
I've gone back a re read it. "Could the Nissan have go 27 seconds faster? I just don't know"
From re reading it myself, the man behind the wheel does not know...
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I still think with Nissans 7:29 car the engineers would have upped the boost, its not as if it would have been difficult for them to do it an extra 75-100bhp would make a big difference.
Was Drivers Republic started up by the staff that left Evo ? Having a read there are some good articles on the site.
EDIT Just read the About DR section on the page!
Was Drivers Republic started up by the staff that left Evo ? Having a read there are some good articles on the site.
EDIT Just read the About DR section on the page!
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Well that's what he put in writing I can't disagree with you...
So, why say that he doesn't think it can when he writes he doest know? Do you know something I don't?
Prey tell you big tease!
The general consensus from that test (I am told..) following a bit more analysis of their telemetry readings is that without a sizeable BHP increment THAT Nissan would (probably..) not get down to the 7.29 that the OTHER Nissan achieved, even with the seriously sticky tyres and their test driver behind the wheel. It’s not a definitive thing really which is why people won’t typically make firm statements in writing and why Mr Harris was none commital in writing as well as not having the full set of data to hand when he wrote the article.
Surely Mr Harris should lay down the gauntlet to Nissan and ask them to prove it, that would be one interesting article.
The 7:29 lap is a bit silly. The original 7:38 lap is more like it at a push.
As much as I admire DR for doing this, certain restraints (probably financial) have scuppered the result.
Still, a good read. I think that the price comparison is a bit off as well. Spec up a GT2 to GT-R standard and I'll bet it's a tad more than stated. It's late, will compare tomorrow.
From any angle though, as I've stated before, A GT2 vs GT-R is a compliment.
As much as I admire DR for doing this, certain restraints (probably financial) have scuppered the result.
Still, a good read. I think that the price comparison is a bit off as well. Spec up a GT2 to GT-R standard and I'll bet it's a tad more than stated. It's late, will compare tomorrow.
From any angle though, as I've stated before, A GT2 vs GT-R is a compliment.
Like all these things the test is an interesting insight and more in line with what the Porsche fanboys (I love Porsche but I am no fanboy) will want to read. I have read people suggesting that 1 flying out lap is not really a good indication of potential and that running 3 or 4 laps one after the other would be a more appropriate test. I believe this may follow in the summer so we will see.
I saw an interesting post on another forum from a bloke who knows how to drive and knows the Ring well having held the production car lap record there for a bit and having driven both cars concerned his view was that Harris didn't drive the car as he believes he should to get the best for the GT-R. He acknowleded Harris is handy and was not seeking to critacise, but his view was that the car needed a proper wringing of the neck to get the most from it. He felt allowing the clever electronics to sort it out married to left foot braking was what would ensure the best laptime in his opinion.
All interesting stuff.
I saw an interesting post on another forum from a bloke who knows how to drive and knows the Ring well having held the production car lap record there for a bit and having driven both cars concerned his view was that Harris didn't drive the car as he believes he should to get the best for the GT-R. He acknowleded Harris is handy and was not seeking to critacise, but his view was that the car needed a proper wringing of the neck to get the most from it. He felt allowing the clever electronics to sort it out married to left foot braking was what would ensure the best laptime in his opinion.
All interesting stuff.
Watched a pretty recent best motoring video yesterday where it was mostly dedicated to the GT-R vs GT2 and visually there was so little between them on the Maze and Tsukuba circuits.
On the Maze circuit the times were 1min 06s for the GT2 and 1m 05 for the GT-R (1m 08 for the NSX-R)
In the race on Tsukuba the best times were 1min 04.1s for the GT2 and 1min 03.3s, the GT-R however suffered some sort of problem on the last lap and went into limp mode so ended up finishing last....don't understand Japanese so no idea what was wrong with it!
On the Maze circuit the times were 1min 06s for the GT2 and 1m 05 for the GT-R (1m 08 for the NSX-R)
In the race on Tsukuba the best times were 1min 04.1s for the GT2 and 1min 03.3s, the GT-R however suffered some sort of problem on the last lap and went into limp mode so ended up finishing last....don't understand Japanese so no idea what was wrong with it!