SWG was tremendous before pre-cu. I'll link something you'll certainly enjoy.
http://www.truegalaxies.com
Right it isn't playable yet but month or two away... perhaps.
What do you want out of a new MMO?
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SWG was tremendous before pre-cu. I'll link something you'll certainly enjoy.
http://www.truegalaxies.com
Right it isn't playable yet but month or two away... perhaps.
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I don't want my hand held through every part of the game. I want my character to be a blank canvas which I can develop in any way I choose. Characters should be able to learn and use every skill in the game. If you use it it goes up, if you dont it goes down. I want to walk around with a healthy fear of pickpockets and murderers and, if I choose, become one myself. I want full item loot on death, town guards and a decent bounty system. Oh yeah, and I want a hairdresser in every town as I usually get bored of my chars appearance very quickly.
Short answer UO 2.0
If Darkfall turns out to be crap I'm giving up on MMOs.
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Something more than laggy tosh (E.g. Warhammer, conan.)
Fixed. Sorry but you just described a lot of it.
Void there is mortal online aswell.
Storyline narrative - Age of conan executed this perfectly, i loved the excellent voice acting and it got me enthralled in the story. every MMO i play after a few levels i just end up skipping the narrative to accept the quest, but if it was being read out to me in a decent atmospheric voice i would fall in love with it.
Trueskill challenges - basically something like a PVE instance or Public quest that adjusts its level to the skill of the players and increases better loot at higher levels of Trueskill and Gold.
Awe - I want my mouth to drop in the complexity of the lands and AI. I dont want to see a panther and walk into it's radius so it'll attack me. I want to be ambushed by surprise and have reaction ratings that will alow me to recover quickly and defent my position.
Gritty graphics - Today when you look at MMO's they all look like they react the same. I want to be able to kick sand into my enemies eye's. Puncture lungs so they stumble and be able to target vital organs with accuracy.
Blood - Something that keeps me enthralled in games. More Blood is more fun for me, if i find new ways to dismembre my opponents i will actively seek them out.
Private villages - Places that you can set up with you friends to start a market where you can trade resources rather than grind them. have NPC's to grow food and depending on how much skill you give them you will get better stats when they harveset. Blacksmiths to make you weapons but customizable to your villages unique status (Think Naruto style).
Many more to list. I've yet to find an MMO that creates all this, i have high hopes for SWKOTR.
Trueskill challenges - basically something like a PVE instance or Public quest that adjusts its level to the skill of the players and increases better loot at higher levels of Trueskill and Gold.
Awe - I want my mouth to drop in the complexity of the lands and AI. I dont want to see a panther and walk into it's radius so it'll attack me. I want to be ambushed by surprise and have reaction ratings that will alow me to recover quickly and defent my position.
Gritty graphics - Today when you look at MMO's they all look like they react the same. I want to be able to kick sand into my enemies eye's. Puncture lungs so they stumble and be able to target vital organs with accuracy.
Blood - Something that keeps me enthralled in games. More Blood is more fun for me, if i find new ways to dismembre my opponents i will actively seek them out.
Private villages - Places that you can set up with you friends to start a market where you can trade resources rather than grind them. have NPC's to grow food and depending on how much skill you give them you will get better stats when they harveset. Blacksmiths to make you weapons but customizable to your villages unique status (Think Naruto style).
Many more to list. I've yet to find an MMO that creates all this, i have high hopes for SWKOTR.
My idea for a mmo game, it would be a MMORLG (real life game).
Have you ever seen Escape from New York? Well, same idea, a massive city turned into a Prison. You get thrown in a small time punk with no skills in anything.
Now in real life, what would you do? You would wander about, try to find a few friends, learn some skills and try to survive. Same thing here.
You try to find some people to hang with, your character doesnt learn skills, if you want to do something you can as long as YOU know how to do it and have the equipment you need to do it. Real life weapons reacting in real life ways, only your skill with a mouse can help! Territory is fought over, lost and gained. Buildings destroyed, although overtime they are rebuilt by maintenance drones.
Basically, its you in a real life prison, fighting to survive.
Whatever way you want to play, engineer, medic, strategist or fighter
Have you ever seen Escape from New York? Well, same idea, a massive city turned into a Prison. You get thrown in a small time punk with no skills in anything.
Now in real life, what would you do? You would wander about, try to find a few friends, learn some skills and try to survive. Same thing here.
You try to find some people to hang with, your character doesnt learn skills, if you want to do something you can as long as YOU know how to do it and have the equipment you need to do it. Real life weapons reacting in real life ways, only your skill with a mouse can help! Territory is fought over, lost and gained. Buildings destroyed, although overtime they are rebuilt by maintenance drones.
Basically, its you in a real life prison, fighting to survive.
Whatever way you want to play, engineer, medic, strategist or fighter
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Personally I hate the guys that harp on about sandbox, no leveling, ultimate lore, do everything yourself, or more specifically I hate the guys that insist thats the only way an MMO is possible and that they should all be the way THEY want it.
A completely open, none leveling system essentially ends up having no story, having the players write their own lore, how boring that would be for most people to read it.
For me leveling, getting new powers, attacks, and most importantly Story, drives games and gives them (to me at least) an end. I don't want to play secondlife, I don't want to build replica's of my room online and talk to people I don't know for hours on end, day after day till I die. Its a game, it should be fun, I want a story, storys tend to, when pre writen, get told in order, to get that order and to guide you through the story you have leveling and other quests that take you out to see the world thats created. Thats enough for me and, you seem to miss this you lot, its what MOST PEOPLE WANT.
Now what I do want is them to be based more on skill but lets be honest, very few games have any skill, FPS's aren't exactly hard, and lag can completely negate any skill you have, maybe an FPS style combat MMO though frankly, other than say a Hunter/ranged class, fps combat for any other style of play would be incredibly, weird, to say the least. Age of Conan tried something new, it failed, it was horrible combat, it didn't feel real or based on skill it was just a different way to sequence your attack.
Obviously a ranged only based WOW fps combat might work, but might not, a more in the future/current time gun using fps would feel slightly more realistic in terms of combat but again if you're lagging everything you do may miss while the other guys might hit you easily. Its really just an idea, I can't see a good MMO with truly realistic combat happening.
Some MMO's not based on pre writen idea's, without Orcs, elves dwarf's would be nice. most of the more current weapon/era games just haven't been good though. Again to a degree it feels rather unnatural to have a gun and have 10 different attacks with it, why would they all be different.
Frankly theres dozens of mmo's, some should suit whatever you want, but MMO is a massive genre, anything thats massively multiplayer, and online, counts. I don't mind the guys who want to play a game where its PvP only, you make everything and theres no end goal whatsoever, but I don't go around insisting every game is like Lotro either, its not either or, theres both.
Last point, I see little reason that a world with instances, or all completely fluid with no loading makes a difference. You see the game load, at the start right, you know its not real? right? Traveling the length of the world to do an instance and have it all cleared and not respawned because someone beat you to it, or you clear a 6 hour instance and a 20 man team just hid round the last corner the entire way and jumped in to kill the final boss? that sounds uber fun to me. Not to mention, the bigger the playing area, the more people in the same area at any one time, the more problems you'll encounter, its as simple as that. Lots of mmo's are split into multiple servers to spread the load, and bandwidth better as you can have them in different datacentre's easily. You go in an instance, boom you're shifted off the main server, it also means a problem with one of the other, doesn't effect the other, and the fix is easier as they have a much narrower place to look for the problem, etc, etc. I honestly can't see why people think a couple of loads here and there somehow fundamentally affect things.
A completely open, none leveling system essentially ends up having no story, having the players write their own lore, how boring that would be for most people to read it.
For me leveling, getting new powers, attacks, and most importantly Story, drives games and gives them (to me at least) an end. I don't want to play secondlife, I don't want to build replica's of my room online and talk to people I don't know for hours on end, day after day till I die. Its a game, it should be fun, I want a story, storys tend to, when pre writen, get told in order, to get that order and to guide you through the story you have leveling and other quests that take you out to see the world thats created. Thats enough for me and, you seem to miss this you lot, its what MOST PEOPLE WANT.
Now what I do want is them to be based more on skill but lets be honest, very few games have any skill, FPS's aren't exactly hard, and lag can completely negate any skill you have, maybe an FPS style combat MMO though frankly, other than say a Hunter/ranged class, fps combat for any other style of play would be incredibly, weird, to say the least. Age of Conan tried something new, it failed, it was horrible combat, it didn't feel real or based on skill it was just a different way to sequence your attack.
Obviously a ranged only based WOW fps combat might work, but might not, a more in the future/current time gun using fps would feel slightly more realistic in terms of combat but again if you're lagging everything you do may miss while the other guys might hit you easily. Its really just an idea, I can't see a good MMO with truly realistic combat happening.
Some MMO's not based on pre writen idea's, without Orcs, elves dwarf's would be nice. most of the more current weapon/era games just haven't been good though. Again to a degree it feels rather unnatural to have a gun and have 10 different attacks with it, why would they all be different.
Frankly theres dozens of mmo's, some should suit whatever you want, but MMO is a massive genre, anything thats massively multiplayer, and online, counts. I don't mind the guys who want to play a game where its PvP only, you make everything and theres no end goal whatsoever, but I don't go around insisting every game is like Lotro either, its not either or, theres both.
Last point, I see little reason that a world with instances, or all completely fluid with no loading makes a difference. You see the game load, at the start right, you know its not real? right? Traveling the length of the world to do an instance and have it all cleared and not respawned because someone beat you to it, or you clear a 6 hour instance and a 20 man team just hid round the last corner the entire way and jumped in to kill the final boss? that sounds uber fun to me. Not to mention, the bigger the playing area, the more people in the same area at any one time, the more problems you'll encounter, its as simple as that. Lots of mmo's are split into multiple servers to spread the load, and bandwidth better as you can have them in different datacentre's easily. You go in an instance, boom you're shifted off the main server, it also means a problem with one of the other, doesn't effect the other, and the fix is easier as they have a much narrower place to look for the problem, etc, etc. I honestly can't see why people think a couple of loads here and there somehow fundamentally affect things.
Or just put in what everything wants and cause a mass catastrophe of an MMO that will never work
I dont think that anyone is suggesting there is only one way to do an MMO, nor do I think anyone is suggesting an MMO which is for everyone. The OP question was what do you want out of a new MMO, not what is the perfect MMO.
Obviously everyones answers will be different, some love sandbox MMOs, some want large amounts of freedom in the MMO world and how flexible the world is for their characters, some want heavy RP, some want story, some want lots of shiny "purple" items that they can collect and showoff, some want housing that they can show off (a world visible "purple" item if you think about it). Some dont mind instancing, some dont like instancing (this seems largely to be dependant on what peoples early MMOs were, I tend to find the EQ1 players dont mind instancing so much, but the AC/UO players tend not to like it)
Lots of different types of people, lots of different desires for an MMO. Its one of the reasons why I always find it so hilarious that people find the constant need (obsession) to **** off other peoples choice of MMO. Over...and over....and over again.
Obviously everyones answers will be different, some love sandbox MMOs, some want large amounts of freedom in the MMO world and how flexible the world is for their characters, some want heavy RP, some want story, some want lots of shiny "purple" items that they can collect and showoff, some want housing that they can show off (a world visible "purple" item if you think about it). Some dont mind instancing, some dont like instancing (this seems largely to be dependant on what peoples early MMOs were, I tend to find the EQ1 players dont mind instancing so much, but the AC/UO players tend not to like it)
Lots of different types of people, lots of different desires for an MMO. Its one of the reasons why I always find it so hilarious that people find the constant need (obsession) to **** off other peoples choice of MMO. Over...and over....and over again.
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Guildwars?
Skill based characters
Housing / towns within the game world
Verified over 18's servers
Single character per server - this goes some way towards making you responsible for your actions
A bit of imagination in world design. Devs have tools to make just about anything they can imagine, and yet we still get orcs, goblins and bloody undead. The worlds themselves are always the same old rubbish redone. You can almost see the checklist when designing an mmo : blasted wastes - check. Spooky forest - check. Dungeon full of spiders - check. Mystical elven woodlands - shoot me now, please.
Even when the game has flyable creatures or characters, no-one designs with that in mind, the still think in two dimensions.
Housing / towns within the game world
Verified over 18's servers
Single character per server - this goes some way towards making you responsible for your actions
A bit of imagination in world design. Devs have tools to make just about anything they can imagine, and yet we still get orcs, goblins and bloody undead. The worlds themselves are always the same old rubbish redone. You can almost see the checklist when designing an mmo : blasted wastes - check. Spooky forest - check. Dungeon full of spiders - check. Mystical elven woodlands - shoot me now, please.
Even when the game has flyable creatures or characters, no-one designs with that in mind, the still think in two dimensions.
An MMO based in the Battletech Universe.
Mix it with the universe of EvE and add some mech on mech action on the planets. Oh and dont add huge capital ships.
And have PvE content too. As in working for a faction that involves defending planets/buildings etc. Or even invading places.
You can customise your Mech, your ship, your uniform.
Ahh the possibilites.
Would make a change to the constant DnD style MMOs.
Mix it with the universe of EvE and add some mech on mech action on the planets. Oh and dont add huge capital ships.
And have PvE content too. As in working for a faction that involves defending planets/buildings etc. Or even invading places.
You can customise your Mech, your ship, your uniform.
Ahh the possibilites.
Would make a change to the constant DnD style MMOs.
It doesn't have enough to offer, was playing that for a couple of years. Also it was only really good if you played all day with a good guild doing GvGs.
The Firefly universe might be a good one for an MMO.
You start off on a planet, perform missions, earn\steal cash etc so you can buy\steal your first ship. Hire your own crew and work your way through the universe. You have an EvE element and a more typical element when you're down on planet surfaces.
You start off on a planet, perform missions, earn\steal cash etc so you can buy\steal your first ship. Hire your own crew and work your way through the universe. You have an EvE element and a more typical element when you're down on planet surfaces.
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So why do you **** of WoW? I **** of Warhammer because of the poor game that it is, i am not really slagging of it's content since i only reached level 10 on it. I found the animations crap, the game ran like crap even on low, and it just generally did not feel like a quality game when controlling my character.
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