***Official Wrath of the Lich King Thread***(Contains spoilers)***

Dup said:
As is stands im a casual player with my gf. We find it very hard to get in any groups for instances as it is. I've only done Ramps on Outland so far and 3/4 baby instances like DM, stockade etc. Maybe it's the Thunderhorn server. I would love to do raids etc, but other players seem to be selfish and "hardcore" about who they let join. I find most elitist idiots outside of general questing.
Click to expand...

Indeed thats what i hated about pre-bc if you wanted to raid you was forced pretty much to join "elitist" idiots just so you could go.

At least now with the 10man raids its a bit easier. I'm lucky that the guild I'm in is compiled of friends and friends of friends so we all get on really well with each other and thats great because it now means we can just stick to 10mans and still be able to see content in our own time.

:D
 
Hardcore are named that for a reason - they play the game hardcore - for longer than everyone else basically. Yes that generally means no lifer but as you all know the only way to get better at it is practice, thus hardcore players are generally better at the game and will clear it's content much faster and to a better extent than people who play an hour or two a day.

No way Am I saying hardcore players are "cool" but in game terms they do deserve respect because they generally know more, and are better at these games than us casuals.

Personally I'am very happy with the more casual'ness of the game, means everyone gets to see all the content. And hopefully arn't forced to spec a certain way, or forced to sign thier evenings away to a raid time table.
 
Last edited:
The added 10 mans are good for casuals and other players, you ain't always going to have enough people for the 25 mans after all even in more hardcore guilds.

However I don't think Blizzard have decided to make 25 mans easy so casuals can do them, I just think they genuinely have a balancing issue at the moment. Well I sure as hell hope they get a lot harder. It would be a joke if the Arthas encounter isn't a hard one.
 
Hardcore players yea tend to play more and thus might be better at the game. This doesnt mean that the game should be exclusivly tuned for them though.

I agree with you margaret that it should get harder espec the 25 mans as that is aimed at the bigger guilds end of the day. I just feel that all these "elitist jerks" saying all dungeons are too easy needs to be much harder. Well no not really as the 5man dungeons even the HC's are meant to be there for everyone not just the elite that are decked out in t6.

If UK or Nexus was tuned for t6 players how in the world do you expect the average player ie in outlands quested blues maybe the odd epic meant to cope ?
Its unfair for this elite to say its all too easy when they have had more time and better kit at their disposal.

Its that point that annoys me that they feel everyone should be as good as them and that the game should revolve around them.
 
Have to admit, I'm stunned they've made the content so easy. I mean, it's not a case of it took the hardcore players a couple of weeks to crack it. They basically rolled upto the raids once they hit level 80, in whatever gear they had on, and just cleared them. :/

I haven't even bought WoTLK yet but I figured when I did and levelled up my friends would still be working through the first Tier of raids and I could join in. If I don't get it til Xmas at this rate they'll be in T12 gear or summit. :p
 
waso_dude said:
Gaming needs both ends to survive...

the big companys that sponser gaming, look at the hardcore things. No some casual gamer.

a lot of money in the gaming industry is from hardcore gaming.
Click to expand...

I think i agree with this statement. :)


personally if i cant raid casual im not gonna raid at all, i had enough with all the silly rules and regulations from the last lot of idiots i joined.

I have started again from lvl 1 and hope to do the pre TBC content i missed out on because of the silly requirements to raid.
 
its all about balance. blizz seem to have some issues with this...they have either made Wrath rather easy to draw players in and get them hooked and wanting more which they will add later for the 'hardcore' raiding brigade....

....or they've looked at the players who play and decided they can rake in more cash by getting in tons of more 'casual' players who cant raid 18 hrs a day and dont make it a (no) lifes goal to get the next item of Tier gear, but like to do some 5/10 man raids with friends now and then and suceed at them.....
 
Kheldar said:
and dont make it a (no) lifes goal to get the next item of Tier gear, but like to do some 5/10 man raids with friends now and then and suceed at them.....
Click to expand...

Yet you don't have to no life to raid and have never had to, the hardcore will spend 5+ nights raiding yes, but you're not forced to.

A common misconception brought up by angry jealous casuals on the wow forums...
 
I've counted myself as a member of a hardcore guild.

We raided 5times a week. having friday and saturday off. From 6.30 til 12 everynight.

People were kicked for slacking, and i enjoyed that atmosphere.

Since lich king, i have been slacking i havn't ding'd 80 yet. but thats due to RL problems. But i know from the comitment i did in TBC i'll just get my raiidng spot back.
 
This game is my life.
On a sidenote though, can't see it running very well on your machines, might want to consider an upgrade, especially if WoW is all you play
 
raiding 6:30 to 12 everynight !

Flipping heck I would never be able to hack that. Theres other games/things to do in RL that are far more better than same thing everynight.
In my eyes that is over the top. I would never be able to commit to that.
 
Margaret said:
A common misconception brought up by angry jealous casuals on the wow forums...
Click to expand...

Indeed - even the most casual of players could raid Karazhan. Assuming you were in a big enough guild, the T5 content wasn't massively hard (once it had been adjusted a few months after TBC release, though both end bosses WERE hard). When the attunements were removed to T6, any guild who could field 25 players could have cleared 2 or 3 bosses in Hyjal assuming they were willing to dedicate a modest amount of time and all 25 weren't Hunters.

Basically the content was there for casuals who could play for an hour or two at one sitting and who put in the effort to get into a raid-capable guild (i.e. one with a couple of tanks, a couple of healers and someone willing to lead the raid). If you could only play for 30 minutes I don't know what you're expecting; there's no way you can reasonably hope to have 10 people stood outside Kara bang on the start of your 30 minute slot. That's not an issue with the game.

The game already has lots of casual friendly content and ways to get gear. Pre-WotLK it also had nerfed and easy Magtheridon and Gruul for casual raiders who wanted a quick swoop for cash, gems and T4.

I really can't see the issue with having some content that's 'hard'. It gives people something to think about and promotes rivalry and discussion on the realms. Players have something to aspire to. Fair enough it might be hard to get into the very best guilds, but each realm always has a few guilds that are raid hopeful and it's not usually hard to get into one of these.

Finally I'll point out again that I'm not currently in a guild and have no plans to raid hardcore again, though I have done so in the past. I hope they bring out some challenging stuff though so at least there's a buzz about raiding again on the forums, instead of everyone being able to trample it.
 
Kheldar said:
....or they've looked at the players who play and decided they can rake in more cash by getting in tons of more 'casual' players
Click to expand...

That is about right.

Apart from the rest of your ranting.

Ret paladins are currently bugged.

Expect a nerf incoming.
 
Adsta said:
raiding 6:30 to 12 everynight !

Flipping heck I would never be able to hack that. Theres other games/things to do in RL that are far more better than same thing everynight.
In my eyes that is over the top. I would never be able to commit to that.
Click to expand...

Our guild used to raid 6 nights a week start time of 19:00. It's dropped down to 5 now :p

I used to raid the 40 person content but could only get on about 3 times aweek, but with the 40 person raid was pretty much always guaranteed a spot, it's different now since TBC I could only get on for 1 raid a week so my raiding career is pretty much over. At the mo I've got that much on in real life, raiding is the last thing on my mind. In fact since WotLK I've played enough to nearly get my DK to lvl 62.

Go me!
 
wordy said:
Our guild used to raid 6 nights a week start time of 19:00. It's dropped down to 5 now :p
Click to expand...

:eek: Thats insane. By the time i get home from work thats 5pm. So that would give me 1hr to settle in at home cook dinner get changed. Spend time with gf if she comes round take her home (which takes 30mins) only to wiz back home to log into wow as quick as poss.

Even then most of these guilds say be on 15mins early so thats 45mins ! Then to finish at 12. Go to sleep get up 5 hrs later and go into work like a zombie......

mmmm i think im not cut out for the hardcore raiding scene :p

edit: assuming your 19:00 is Uk time ofc
 
I can't believe some of the whining in this thread. Bliazzard have stated many times that they intended Naxx to be a gentle introduction to raiding for people in Quest/Dungeon blues. Is anyone actually genuinely surprised that guilds that did Naxx the first time round and were probably still using a few SWP items steamrolled through it?

Karazahn wasn't that much harder, the reason that first kills in TBC took longer was that there was a massive gear reset. You didn't see people tring to take down Gruul whilst wearing full T3.

If they release the Ulduar raid and it's still just as easy then yeah, perhaps then people can talk about it being to easy. But until then just enjoy the fact the first tier of raiding isn't made artificially too difficult for once. Naxx is incredibly fun.
 
Adsta said:
:eek: Thats insane. By the time i get home from work thats 5pm. So that would give me 1hr to settle in at home cook dinner get changed. Spend time with gf if she comes round take her home (which takes 30mins) only to wiz back home to log into wow as quick as poss.

Even then most of these guilds say be on 15mins early so thats 45mins ! Then to finish at 12. Go to sleep get up 5 hrs later and go into work like a zombie......

mmmm i think im not cut out for the hardcore raiding scene :p

edit: assuming your 19:00 is Uk time ofc
Click to expand...

Well it was a finish time of 23:00 for us but it usually ran over, 1 last try etc :p. a lot of our guild are scandanavian so it was a 20:00 start for those and a midnight finish.

It wasn't really a hardcore raiding guild. If they spent all night wiping on a boss then it wasn't the end of the world really, people would be disapointed but no one got kicked out for mistakes made when raiding.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom