Holland to ban magic mushrooms

Excess weed smoking does indeed affect people mentally.

I took acid once and had crazy dreams and thoughts for months and months.

Human mind rocks :)
 
Cannabis can only bring on psychosis in those predisposed to psychosis or schizophrenia, i.e. those who could develop it without even smoking cannabis, by say drinking too much, or suffering abuse, or trauma.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/06/cannabis_psychosis_study/

In terms of estimated rate ratios, persons who develop cannabis-induced psychosis are as predisposed to schizophrenia spectrum disorder and other psychiatric disorders as those who develop schizophrenia spectrum disorder without a history of cannabis-induced psychosis.

Altogether, these findings, in addition to those of previous studies, indicate that cannabis-induced psychosis may not be a valid diagnosis but an early marker of schizophrenia.

Rather, the degree of hereditary predisposition in individuals who receive treatment of cannabis-induced psychosis closely mirrors that in those who develop schizophrenia with no history of cannabis induced psychosis. The results agree with those of other studies that show that cannabis predominantly causes psychotic symptoms in those persons who are predisposed to develop psychosis or show signs of psychosis in the absence of cannabis use.
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See above. Cannabis does not cause psychosis, it merely triggers it in those predisposed to developing it anyway.

Its genetic. If there is a history of mental illness in your family, its not a good idea to go smoking cannabis, or eating shrooms.
 
From my understanding and from seeing many, many people both smoking cannabis long-term without mental health issues and also people ending up in mental health institutions because it has triggered psychosis/depression, cannabis can't be labelled a universally safe drug at all. How do you know before smoking it that you aren't predisposed to adverse mental health issues that it may trigger and end up screwing up your life because of it?
 
I'm going to post in this thread one more time, then I wont glance at it again because the naivety in this thread not only angers me but really concerns me. You only get one mind once its ****ed its very hard coming back from it from my own experience "5yrs" if your going to mess around with anything dont take it for granted like i did in my early teens because the likely hood is it will come back and bite you in the arse.
 
Fair enough Tank, it just seems that the medical community is moving away from the "cannabis is the boogeyman" stance and coming to a more reasoned conclusion as represented in the study in the Register article I posted above pertained to.

FWIW I smoked every day for 10 years starting aged 16, have taken mushrooms and acid on numerous occasions, spent a lot of time in Amsterdam, even taking part in the Cannabis Cup as a Public Judge a few years back, smoking some of the most powerful strains of skunk, the same strains of powerful skunk that the media use to whip up hysteria about the drug reminiscent of the "Reefer Madness" campaigns of the 1930's.

My mind is just fine, thanks, as are the minds of many of my friends and close relatives who have smoked for longer periods than I have.

The single biggest negative effect it had on me was making me lazy(but then I was pretty lazy before I started smoking). I had no problem giving it up 18 months ago. My decision to give it up was not due to ill health effects, it was simple economics, I moved out of home and could no longer afford to buy it.

I'm sorry that you have had a bad experience, I would like to know however if there is a history of any form of mental illness in your family, but since you wont be posting again in this thread I guess I'll never know.
 
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Marf said:
FWIW I smoked every day for 10 years starting aged 16, have taken mushrooms and acid on numerous occasions, spent a lot of time in Amsterdam, even taking part in the Cannabis Cup as a Public Judge a few years back, smoking some of the most powerful strains of skunk, the same strains of powerful skunk that the media use to whip up hysteria about the drug reminiscent of the "Reefer Madness" campaigns of the 1930's.
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Isn't that a confession? :confused:
 
It's harmless if used with caution, don't mix drugs with other drugs or with alcohol, and do it once per 6 months at most on a medium dosis, afaik if you keep to these rules it's fine...

I'm against the ban, tbh the country is going down here, more and more stuff is not allowed any more, everything bad for you is taxed and the gov thinks it's your daddy, way too many rules etc... They wanted to ban marijuana too:(. I don't know why those idiots don't realize they will lose a lot of tourism if they truly ban the things...
 
meghatronic said:
Isn't that a confession? :confused:
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Best lock me up if it is ;)

I'm not ashamed of anything I have done drugs wise, I enjoyed it all very much.

In the words of the late great Bill Hicks:

"I had a great time doing drugs. Sorry. Never murdered anybody, never robbed anybody, never raped anybody, never beat anybody, never lost a job, a car, a house, a wife, or kids. Laughed my ass off, and went about my day."
 
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It's harmless if used with caution, don't mix drugs with other drugs or with alcohol, and do it once per 6 months at most on a medium dosis, afaik if you keep to these rules it's fine...
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Stick to this man's rules and you can't go far wrong. Top advice.
 
Did shrooms on Koh Pha Ngan in Thailand a few years ago.... It was a laugh but I'd never do it again, it messed me up wayyy too much. :D
 
[DOD]Asprilla;12986136 said:
Ah, fair enough. Having done a bit of reading I see you are right. However, it does say that they are closing 20% of them in all.
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LOL I live in Holland and I can tell you with the amount of coffee shops there are here 20% does not amount to anything really.

And the ones they do close just move and reopen outside the exclusion boundaries.

As for banning mushrooms, all they are banning is the sale and purchase of them they grow wild all over the place and I don't think they will ever stop people picking them.
 
Bin there,seen it done it,opened my eyes I can tell you:D Nice place,did some mushrooms years ago only once` there not for me:eek: my mate thought he had murdered his Dog after he awoke during the night and finding a slimey wet bone on his bed and no Dog freaked him out
 
Meridian said:
Cocaine is extracted from coca leaves, and is thus effectively natural: all the extraction does is concentrate it. Otherwise you could just chew the leaves, as many in South America still do. .

Heroin is a little more complicated: it's made be acetylating morphine, which is of course, extracted from opium poppies - see above. Once inside the body it it converted back to morphine within minutes: the rush is actually from the morphine, not the diamorphine that is the parent compound. So it could reasonably be argued that this is pretty much "natural" as well.

Of course MDMA is entirely artificial, so I assume you're in favour of banning that?


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Yes, i understand what your saying and know that. But white powder doesnt grow on trees. With weed, you can have the plants and just take bud off when its ready and have a PH PHAT Smoke... you can pick mushrooms from a field and not have to do anything, just eat and trip. They are natural in the form thats how they are... if you want them have them ;)
 
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