I didnt want to beleive it, but....

[oxygene]

My Phenom 9500 actually was the cause of all my woes! I was holding on to the beleive it isnt amds fault, nothing wrong with the chip, but after 3 windows reisntalls, lots of drivers ansd fixes not working, CONSTANT blue screens of death and freezes, I had enouhg and brought a new X2. No more problems now everything works fine.

So anyhow I now have a phenom 9500 sat nearby with no use to me, which was skrewed from day 1 it seams. Where do I stand on refundability?

 

[GinG]

how long ago did you buy it? maybe have a look on amd's site about rma?

 

[MooMoo444]

Theres probably nothing wrong with it. Your motherboard just didnt get on with it I would say.

 

[mrthingyx]

My Phenom 9500 actually was the cause of all my woes! I was holding on to the beleive it isnt amds fault, nothing wrong with the chip, but after 3 windows reisntalls, lots of drivers ansd fixes not working, CONSTANT blue screens of death and freezes, I had enouhg and brought a new X2. No more problems now everything works fine.

So anyhow I now have a phenom 9500 sat nearby with no use to me, which was skrewed from day 1 it seams. Where do I stand on refundability?

Inadequate cooling of MOSFET-age, I would wager. Those chips are HOT.

 

[oxygene]

cooling is fine, rarely went above 60c to tell the truth. got a huge £35 cooler that does the job nicely.

 

[mrthingyx]

cooling is fine, rarely went above 60c to tell the truth. got a huge £35 cooler that does the job nicely.

I'm not worried about the processor - it's those little black things next to the socket which I'm talking about.

 

[Pulseammo]

Running any virtualisation? Could have been the TLB bug? Dunno how often it occurs though.

 

[gareth170]

as said above probably its your motherboard that doesn't agree with it

try update your bios with the TLB fix.

 

[Uriel]

I've been wondering about phenom stability. I've kept an eye on the motherboard reviews at Bit-Tech and not one AMD system has passed their stability testing 100% with a phenom. Most boards reviewed with an X2 passed back in the day, as do most intel systems now.

 

[Final8y]

What motherboard is it & is that 2GB per stick or 4x1GB 1066 or 800. ?

 

[mrthingyx]

I've been wondering about phenom stability. I've kept an eye on the motherboard reviews at Bit-Tech and not one AMD system has passed their stability testing 100% with a phenom. Most boards reviewed with an X2 passed back in the day, as do most intel systems now.

A couple of things, I suppose.

Consumer Phenom-based systems are - from my experience - pretty much fine: my father-in-law uses his until the cows come home playing Supreme Commander. True, he's not playing it through the night whilst Prime-ing or whatever, but it works for him.

Likewise, colloquial stories on the internet about Phenom-based systems not working seem to be in the vast minority... most of the ones I've read talk about how glassy smooth the systems described seem to be.

We also have Barcelona doing pretty well in the server market, and I'm taking a guess IT bods don't really want their servers falling over when lunch-break at University comes around.

On the other hand, I trust Bit-Tech and their reviews more than most on the internet and so there is reasonable cause for concern if they report AM2+ motherboards not being stable when put through the hypothetical mill.

What seems to be the case to me is that AMD were so secretive about what Phenom required to work to its potential that it caught motherboard makers off-guard... potentially indicated by the motherboards Anandtech have tested which go pop! when faced with a Phenom.

This has long been a criticism of motherboard makers for AMD-based systems: that they are somewhat lacking when compared to their Intel-based equivalents... digital power management being one voiced regularly over at XtremeSystems.

Long and the short? I would say the OP's motherboard may not be up to the job, or that case airflow might not be sufficient to cool the MOSFETs down sufficiently.

Of all the problems I've had with my computers over the years, only two have not been caused by me... either through screwing with the configuration, or through the use of unsuitable components. Or not attaching said components (i.e. waterblocks) properly.

 

[gareth170]

I've been wondering about phenom stability. I've kept an eye on the motherboard reviews at Bit-Tech and not one AMD system has passed their stability testing 100% with a phenom. Most boards reviewed with an X2 passed back in the day, as do most intel systems now.

i've had 1 intel system (which gave me so much problems) and all the other systems as been amd , including 3 phenom systems , i only had 1 problem with the first phenom due to crap chip but after getting the replacemeant back all 3 systems are 100% stable. not had a problem since.

 

[Rroff]

TLB bug aside there are some fairly serious issues with the phenom from what I hear from people who work at several big companies including IBM and fairly big server companies who do financial systems, etc. who refuse to use them because of it as the chance of an error isn't acceptable.

 

[EvilOne]

+1 Propoganda

 

[Final8y]

TLB bug aside there are some fairly serious issues with the phenom from what I hear from people who work at several big companies including IBM and fairly big server companies who do financial systems, etc. who refuse to use them because of it as the chance of an error isn't acceptable.

They would not use Phenom's but Opterons & if there was anything else serious besides the TLB on earlier chips then it would have come out by now & there would be a link that i could read.

 

[rxmac]

Inadequate cooling of MOSFET-age, I would wager. Those chips are HOT.

I'd tend to agree with ^^ . My 9750 on an AX78 mobo at high loads the stock Phenom cooler is next to useless at cooling the PWMIC's which hit getting on for 100c under stress testing before i stopped it. I put a top down cooler on the cpu to aid cooling the mobo and the PWMIC's still get hot but rarely hit above 80c even when the cpu is maxxed out.

 

[Rroff]

They would not use Phenom's but Opterons & if there was anything else serious besides the TLB on earlier chips then it would have come out by now & there would be a link that i could read.

Ofcourse - I was talking about the quad core opterons but same issues are present in the desktop versions. There are very real and potentially serious problems with them. Unfortunatly everyone I know who have highlighted the issues are under NDA.

 

[Amonlym]

amd have a good rma service - you should try it out if you truely think the chip is defective they should replace it, and most likely with a B3 hip as B2's are out of production

 

[mnemonix]

Ofcourse - I was talking about the quad core opterons but same issues are present in the desktop versions. There are very real and potentially serious problems with them. Unfortunatly everyone I know who have highlighted the issues are under NDA.

Absolute rubbish. You can't NDA a product that is in the public domain.
This is FUD of the worst kind. There is nothing wrong with Phenom and as legally required, it is "fit for purpose" or AMD would be facing the mother of law suits.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Ofcourse - I was talking about the quad core opterons but same issues are present in the desktop versions. There are very real and potentially serious problems with them. Unfortunatly everyone I know who have highlighted the issues are under NDA.

Agreed with the above poster. What you've said here is a bunch of unjustified rumour-mill tripe.