Holland to ban magic mushrooms

FrostedNipple said:
lol, you do know how percentages work right?
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Yes I do understand how percentages work now do you understand how supply and demand works?

There are that many coffee shops in this country that even if 50% of them closed the consumer would not loose out on anything as there would still be more than enough places to supply the required demand.

And had you bothered to quote the rest of my message it would go on to say that most of that 20% would reopen in another location anyway further reducing the percentage and making for better supply to the demand
 
jpmonkey69 said:
No, it's illegal to eat a plant that you know is poisonous and will kill you... this is because it's illegal to commit suicide.

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This is correct under the current law if you attempt to commit suicide and fail you can actually be charged with attempted murder of yourself.

Just because that particular part of the law is not enforced does not make it any less true :)
 
Most of my friends / workmates have never touched weed (and constantly give-off about users of the so called soft-drugs)

Most of friends are also lazier than me, more paranoid, more negative and not very creative - so how can you correlate the cannabis use to the temperament ?

Most of the cannabis users I know are also in high powered jobs, are not dole-scroungers, do not live on council estates and can work and concentrate harder than their heavy drinking stressed out counterparts. So show me where these stereotypes come from ?
 
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snowdog said:
It's harmless if used with caution, don't mix drugs with other drugs or with alcohol, and do it once per 6 months at most on a medium dosis, afaik if you keep to these rules it's fine...

I'm against the ban, tbh the country is going down here, more and more stuff is not allowed any more, everything bad for you is taxed and the gov thinks it's your daddy, way too many rules etc... They wanted to ban marijuana too:(. I don't know why those idiots don't realize they will lose a lot of tourism if they truly ban the things...
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"these rules"?

Completely laughable to be frank. All drugs on the drug registers which are given a classification are there for a specific reason. Either they are very dangerous and should only be used for specific medical treatments and/or the information known about all aspects of the drugs interactions with diseases and systems in the body are not fully known. This also goes for long term effects and the bodys ability to break the substances down (which can potentially result in liver damage or worse)

Cannabis is only being discussed in a medical forum due to one of its chemical constituents having medicinal properties which could be useful as analgesia in MS patients and even this information is still in the early stages.
 
James J said:
"these rules"?

Completely laughable to be frank. All drugs on the drug registers which are given a classification are there for a specific reason. Either they are very dangerous and should only be used for specific medical treatments and/or the information known about all aspects of the drugs interactions with diseases and systems in the body are not fully known.
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The government isn't always correct though. drugs have been illegal for a long time before we knew how they worked, some were even legal at one point, opium was used a lot in Britain.

It is more to do with culture, people just think they are bad when in reality the statistics show they are no where near as dangerous.

I can understand addictive drugs being illegal, the combination of drugs being pleasant and the addiction could be too much for many, heroin and cocaine for example.

However extacy, cannabis, LSD and magic mushrooms very rarely cause deaths and aren't addictive like cigs or as dangerous as alcohol.
 
starfighter said:
The government isn't always correct though. drugs have been illegal for a long time before we knew how they worked, some were even legal at one point, opium was used a lot in Britain.

It is more to do with culture, people just think they are bad when in reality the statistics show they are no where near as dangerous.

I can understand addictive drugs being illegal, the combination of drugs being pleasant and the addiction could be too much for many, heroin and cocaine for example.

However extacy, cannabis, LSD and magic mushrooms very rarely cause deaths and aren't addictive like cigs or as dangerous as alcohol.
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Im not saying the government is always correct but there are a staggering amount of health professionals from bothNICE and the RPSGB respectively who decide on how all drugs can and cannot be administed, stocked, released etc and the effects they have on patients/general public and this is then passed onto the government to amend laws if needed.

The current system works well for the majority of controlled drugs in the country. Whilst Nicotine is addictive (due to its affect on the nicotine receptors in the brain) its not lethal in small doses and takes years to have negative effects on people using cigs etc. The most damage is done from the tar content and carbon monoxide contained in the cigs.

Alcohol also cannot be even remotely compaired to controlled drugs due to being quite easy for the body to break down unless in daft amounts over a long period of time or so much you pass out and end up dying of another cause (swallowing your own tongue, choking on your own vomit etc)

"However extacy, cannabis, LSD and magic mushrooms very rarely cause deaths and aren't addictive like cigs or as dangerous as alcohol" - Problem with what your saying here it reads like your version of dangerous is someone dying. All of the drugs you mentioned are contra indicationed to possible mental problems which can lead to a variety of nasty conditions. Its not just the health of the person taking the drug which is accountable, its the people around them as well.

The biggest reason for most of the CDs being on the list is due to how potent they actually are. Take codeine phosphate for example, as a tablet its POM and readily available from a GP but the injectable version is a CD due to how easy it is to overdose on it, plus the addition of more side affects which can be a risk to health.

Sorry for the information overload but the whole system really isnt a clear cut as people seem to think it is.
 
St0rmer66 said:
Well if there is a massive concentration of cafe's then it won't make much difference. If there are 10 on one street and 2 close, would you really notice if there were "only" 8 left?
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Once again, you know how percentages work right?

You mention, if their is 10, then 20% are closed, sure there are still 8 left. If there is 1mill then 20% are closed then you still have 800k left. The point of the fact is that no matter how many there are, 20% is 20%. The point you where meant to make is that 20% doesn't make a difference, because you still have 80% left.
 
I cannot physically add anything to this topic on the forums.

And i dont expect anyone to understand me, but i think everyone should have at least one experience of this on a heavy dosage to see them selves and look on their lifes.

I think everyone will have something to say,

Just wow, enough.
 
FrostedNipple said:
Once again, you know how percentages work right?

You mention, if their is 10, then 20% are closed, sure there are still 8 left. If there is 1mill then 20% are closed then you still have 800k left. The point of the fact is that no matter how many there are, 20% is 20%. The point you where meant to make is that 20% doesn't make a difference, because you still have 80% left.
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your wrong , youve took what he said the complete wrong way... twice


what hes saying is that theres so many shops that closing 20% of them wont stop anyone being able to find and use one

eg.

i have 125 seats in coffee shops and 100 people wanting a seat

government shut 20% of these seats and no problem

i have 100 seats in coffee shops and 100 people wanting a seat

government shut 20% of the seats and big problem
 
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"andy" said:
your wrong , youve took what he said the complete wrong way... twice


what hes saying is that theres so many shops that closing 20% of them wont stop anyone being able to find and use one

eg.

i have 125 seats in coffee shops and 100 people wanting a seat

government shut 20% of these seats and no problem

i have 100 seats in coffee shops and 100 people wanting a seat

government shut 20% of the seats and big problem
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Thanks that hit the nail right on the head all they are doing by closing some is making more money for others.

and I have just found out that the majority of closures are not around schools but along the borders.

Apparently what spurred the closings was that Germany and Belgium did not like that fact it was legal here because due to the open borders it was too easy for someone living close to the border to come across buy a bunch and then go back and sell it there at a profit.

So in an attempt to make those countries feel better the dutch government closed a lot of shops close to the border. Those shops however will not be denied licenses to open up somewhere else away from the border zone so thats ok for them :)
 
I don't think it will make much difference to be honest. You'll still be able to find shrooms if you look around. Other drugs like MDMA, acid, coke and heroin are readily available in Amsterdam despite being illegal.

KaneStatton said:
Aren't shrooms just the poor man's LSD anyway?
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No. Shrooms are usualy more intense and powerful than acid.
 
"andy" said:
well they cost more for a start :p but theyre both very different to each other

i still cant believe salvia is legal when the above 2 arent though. its seriously messed up
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That's because it's a relatively weak drug and the 'high' isn't even that pleasant - it's not addictive enough to be classed as a serious drug either. It's no different to drinking a bit of bleach - you're going be intoxicated but it sure isn't nice at all.

It's also used to treat alcoholism in some cases, and you're going to be extremely hard pressed to find actual scientific evidence that it's physically or mentally addictive, unlike weed and others.
 
SoundsGood said:
Shrooms can be strong sure, but a high dose of lsd is another ball game
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Varies from person to person, but on the whole shrooms are a more physical, full-bodied experience, which acid being more mental and in your head.

Both are suited to different situations, but you can't really argue with the fact that blotto doesn't make one queasy :p
 
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