OMG NOt another spec me a screen thread - 52"
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Projector.
Or plasma.
I wouldn't bother with LCD.
You are looking at either Pionneer Kuro screens or Panasonics.
You need to do some seraching, I don't know what size of Pio you can get for 2K, but I think the 50" Panasonics are about 1400?
Alternatively you could consider a commerical panel - these should be much better for the money, but obviously all they do DISPLAY things. There's no 'extra crap' with them.
Someone else will be in shortly to add to this no doubt.
Or plasma.
I wouldn't bother with LCD.
You are looking at either Pionneer Kuro screens or Panasonics.
You need to do some seraching, I don't know what size of Pio you can get for 2K, but I think the 50" Panasonics are about 1400?
Alternatively you could consider a commerical panel - these should be much better for the money, but obviously all they do DISPLAY things. There's no 'extra crap' with them.
Someone else will be in shortly to add to this no doubt.
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Panasonic PZ80 or projector 
Pioneer 5090 a touch over £2k with 5yr D&G warranty. I can let you know a reliable and very helpful dealer toget it from from, it's where I got mine from and many other avforums members did.
Do you need speakers and a pedestal stand or will be wallmounting?
NO tv comes close to this one, except identical kuros or the slightly thinner, better, and more expensive KRP kuro.
Do you need speakers and a pedestal stand or will be wallmounting?
NO tv comes close to this one, except identical kuros or the slightly thinner, better, and more expensive KRP kuro.
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The pioneer will **** all over them, no exageration at all, and if they watch an LCD coming from an old CRT, then they will be sorely disappointed with the picture quality.
I cannot stress enough that around the £2k mark the pioneer 5090 can not be beaten. I have demod many many tvs in numerous showrooms (including a specialist dealer) and nothing comes anywhere near. Even the latest panasonics and sonys can't touch last years Pioneers, and this years are another step ahead. The pioneers are the only sets that can truly match the quality of CRTs from normal tv viewing.
I even bought one, and I'm a picky bunny
I cannot stress enough that around the £2k mark the pioneer 5090 can not be beaten. I have demod many many tvs in numerous showrooms (including a specialist dealer) and nothing comes anywhere near. Even the latest panasonics and sonys can't touch last years Pioneers, and this years are another step ahead. The pioneers are the only sets that can truly match the quality of CRTs from normal tv viewing.
I even bought one, and I'm a picky bunny
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Thing is 2K is a not insignificant wad of cash for a TV, considering 'perfectly acceptable' screens can be had for 5-600 (Panny plasmas). So the OP really must want to get something that's pretty damn good. I'd seriously suggest going to a dealer and demoing some screens, after all, what TV a person likes is a very subjective thing. Note, a dealer, not your typical high street electronics shop.
Also, are things like HD important? Will they be watching blue rays or will it be SDTV channels 1-5 ? etc etc
Also, from what I understand one of the BIG things about the pioneers is that they offer an unsurpassed level of control and configurability of the final picture, on a per source basis. If the ops folks 'just want a big tv, for 2K' they might not be so concerned about these sort of things. The Pannys are really good, because although they don't offer the same amount of control over the final picture, they come from the factory 95% setup for 95% of people who'll use em. True plug and play style.
Also, are things like HD important? Will they be watching blue rays or will it be SDTV channels 1-5 ? etc etc
Also, from what I understand one of the BIG things about the pioneers is that they offer an unsurpassed level of control and configurability of the final picture, on a per source basis. If the ops folks 'just want a big tv, for 2K' they might not be so concerned about these sort of things. The Pannys are really good, because although they don't offer the same amount of control over the final picture, they come from the factory 95% setup for 95% of people who'll use em. True plug and play style.
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This isn't really a subjective thing, the pios are that much better than everything else on the market, just have a look at the reviews especially on HDtv test and by phil hinton on avforums. It's not like comparing speakers and choosing between different sound signatures, the kuros are leaps and bounds ahead of the panny.
Also the kuros can be made to look stunning by inputting the bumtious settings off avforums. It's the closest you will get to attempting your own calibration, but getting a pr0 in to calibrate the set is preferable.
I'm not saying the pannys are bad, I actually think the PX80 is terrific value, but it still can't get anywhere near the Kuros. I know I seem like a fanboi, but hell yes I am, I spent many months demoing every possible set on the market before getting my 8G, and then spent another long time comparing the latest sets 5months after I got that before I saw the 9G 5090 just before it was released. The hype is justified, and with the OP specing a budget of £2k then this is the set to go for. If you say he should jsut get a panny, it is like goinginto motors telling someone with the money for a nice 5 series and considering one to forget about it and get a ford focus, as it's still a good car and cheaper. But will never be as good as the BMW, or what the spec was for.
If in doubt get yourself a demo of the 9G at a proper dealership, just check the assured advertisers on avforums, the main ones are where the renound ISF calibrators work and have a good reputation that is well deserved. Only at a proper dealership with a properly lit room and calibrated set wil you see how good these sets are, brghtly lit shorooms with horrifically calibrated sets are not the place to demo proper tvs in action.
Also the kuros can be made to look stunning by inputting the bumtious settings off avforums. It's the closest you will get to attempting your own calibration, but getting a pr0 in to calibrate the set is preferable.
I'm not saying the pannys are bad, I actually think the PX80 is terrific value, but it still can't get anywhere near the Kuros. I know I seem like a fanboi, but hell yes I am, I spent many months demoing every possible set on the market before getting my 8G, and then spent another long time comparing the latest sets 5months after I got that before I saw the 9G 5090 just before it was released. The hype is justified, and with the OP specing a budget of £2k then this is the set to go for. If you say he should jsut get a panny, it is like goinginto motors telling someone with the money for a nice 5 series and considering one to forget about it and get a ford focus, as it's still a good car and cheaper. But will never be as good as the BMW, or what the spec was for.
If in doubt get yourself a demo of the 9G at a proper dealership, just check the assured advertisers on avforums, the main ones are where the renound ISF calibrators work and have a good reputation that is well deserved. Only at a proper dealership with a properly lit room and calibrated set wil you see how good these sets are, brghtly lit shorooms with horrifically calibrated sets are not the place to demo proper tvs in action.
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most people woul be hugely impressed with a decent lcd. you arent most people -Ad
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Yes, I know. But we're talking about the ops Folks. Are they really gonna trawl avforums and fiddle about with settings this and buttons that? Maybe they are maybe they aren't.
Yes, they pioneers are a better set. But a ferrari is faster than a mondeo, but maybe the OP parents will never go above 70 anyway. Do you see what I mean? For you and I yes, If i had 2K I would probably buy a pioneer instantly, but trying to give the best advice for the OP. Maybe he'd prefer a £1500 tv and use the other £500 for a sky HD package which would be better than a £2K pio being fed from a SD Freeview signal.
Yes, they pioneers are a better set. But a ferrari is faster than a mondeo, but maybe the OP parents will never go above 70 anyway. Do you see what I mean? For you and I yes, If i had 2K I would probably buy a pioneer instantly, but trying to give the best advice for the OP. Maybe he'd prefer a £1500 tv and use the other £500 for a sky HD package which would be better than a £2K pio being fed from a SD Freeview signal.
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Nope, I'm just a bit of a perfectionist. Now where was kelly brooks phone number
I did overlook one thing, their eyesite. But I suppose it is good I would still recommend a pio not just for the picture, but the reliability and lack of problems with them. Even pannys have more faults than them and are more likely to break down. I'm being stupidly picky here, but along with a D&G 5yr warranty + a pio, you are totally covered for the next 5yrs.
Ferrari was was example I didn't consider making, the BMW vs focus is a much more realistic example
Sky HD is a possibility, but they are tied into a 12month contract plus might not watch half the stuff. Depends on what they want and their needs really are.
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All they want is a nice big TV to go on the wall so my mother can watch her shows and my dad can watch the footie.. I understand that the Pioneer is miles better, but they will never notice, will never calibrate it, they just need something to use out of the box. It's replacing a 5yr old 42" Sony so most things will look better, to be honest it will spend 75% of the time playing SD content so probably going to advise a plasma.. It's just a matter of which one..
No need to calibrate them, just open the menu and spend 5 mins adjusting the settings to those posted by bumtious over at avforums. As close as any of us mortals will get to perfect picture without getting a pr0 in, and the settings provided are actually fairly close to ISF. Just make sure they don't turn the set on and leave it in the out of box settings. This is said for every tv, just adjusting some of the settings and turning off noise reduction crap should be done to improve the picture vastly. Out of dynamic and into move/cinema preset is the biggest change though.
If it is mostly SD content then the 42 PX80 is better than the PZ80 plasma, but the PX unfortunately only comes in 42 inch size. I still recommend they checkout the Pio at a proper demo, but also havea look around to see if you can find last years pioneers, the 508XD or the 5080. Both still noticably better thanthe panasonics, but obviously cheaper than this years pios at about £1400-1500, thus stunning value. Not sure how easy it will be to source one though, but if you can then it will be well worth it and will be better suited to them than the 5090.
If it is mostly SD content then the 42 PX80 is better than the PZ80 plasma, but the PX unfortunately only comes in 42 inch size. I still recommend they checkout the Pio at a proper demo, but also havea look around to see if you can find last years pioneers, the 508XD or the 5080. Both still noticably better thanthe panasonics, but obviously cheaper than this years pios at about £1400-1500, thus stunning value. Not sure how easy it will be to source one though, but if you can then it will be well worth it and will be better suited to them than the 5090.
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I would recommend they check out the 42PX80. That would probably be the best for them UNLESS they really want a larger screen, in which case I would suggest checking out the 50" LG plasmas, maybe the Samsung Plasmas, or looking at last years model for a cheaper deal . I think panny 50pX8 plasma could be had for around 800 or so...
In fact loks like you can get a curent gen 50" Panny plasma - the 50PX80 show results on the google.
Sounds like your folks wouldnt benefit from spending an extra grand or more so they can see more detail in the blacks, or tone down thre red channel or whatever.
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In fact loks like you can get a curent gen 50" Panny plasma - the 50PX80 show results on the google.
Sounds like your folks wouldnt benefit from spending an extra grand or more so they can see more detail in the blacks, or tone down thre red channel or whatever.
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No PX80 in 50inch, but there is that 50PX8 you mentioned. Last time I saw that, one of the big high street electronics shops had it for £699 which is a very good deal. I is apparently worse than the PX80 as it is a cut down version, but even so, £699 is a good deal.
I would avoid LG plasmas if I were you, the 6000 series have bad retention, and the 7000 series just arn't particularly impressive eventhough they were touted by LG marketing as kuro killers
have a look for last years Pios, and you might be lucky to find one.
I would avoid LG plasmas if I were you, the 6000 series have bad retention, and the 7000 series just arn't particularly impressive eventhough they were touted by LG marketing as kuro killers
have a look for last years Pios, and you might be lucky to find one.
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It appears I was too quick on the google. Yes, there is a 50PX80, but it's US/Canada only. Panasonic Europe/UK seem to be pushing FULL HD for sets larger than 42", so you'd be looking at a PZ series I guess.
And yes, last years Pioneers are probably a very good buy as wlel if the price is right.
And yes, last years Pioneers are probably a very good buy as wlel if the price is right.
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Remember a 42" Plasma/LCD will be have a larger viewable area than a CRT
