What is all the hoohaa abuot a DNA database - bring it on!
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I don't trust this government with my information. Hell, I don't trust them with ANYTHING. And yet, governments a whole lot worse have been voted into power before. So if I'm nervous about them having this information now it would be a lot worse in the future.
Frankly, I'm willing to risk living in a world without innocent people being tracked, with their information held by their government. Even if it means I'm less safe, that's the price I'd happily pay for personal freedom and liberty.
I guess everyone draws the line on what they'd allow the government to do somewhere. I'm on the liberal side in that respect.
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I have no criminal record and don't commit anything this current government determines a crime. However, if all of this tracking and logging of people is put in place, then the government of the day decides things I take for granted are all of a sudden legal I am up **** creek without a paddle. So no thanks.
Frankly, I'm willing to risk living in a world without innocent people being tracked, with their information held by their government. Even if it means I'm less safe, that's the price I'd happily pay for personal freedom and liberty.
I guess everyone draws the line on what they'd allow the government to do somewhere. I'm on the liberal side in that respect.
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I have no criminal record and don't commit anything this current government determines a crime. However, if all of this tracking and logging of people is put in place, then the government of the day decides things I take for granted are all of a sudden legal I am up **** creek without a paddle. So no thanks.
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to be fair, I'm not so concerned about that but more;
I get drunk take some illegal substances wherever i did them/whoever i got them from gets busted/raided my DNA is found, used as enough evidence to get drug test = life ****ed over the fact that people consider one substance "immoral" and others fine.
That or if i ever do wind up doing something worse I've got to take less precautions.
They are presumed innocent which isn't quite the same thing.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again... With the current government and corresponding agencies proven inability to keep hold of sensitive information, you'd need to be mad to think the retention of data (unless convicted of an offense) is a good idea.
My brother went for a military PGAC and missed the final slog by a couple of seconds. He was to return a few months later to have another bash, but while waiting to hear from the military he got another letter through our door informing him that his and thousands of others details, who were service personel or attending various PGACs had been lost. Which would have been great if it had fallen into the hands of terrorists, with us living in Northern Ireland and that. My brother decided not to return because of the governments inability to secure service personel data, the type of which could put him and others like him at serious risk.
However, my own DNA is stored on the database as I was convicted of several crimes in my youth. That I have no problem with (as I've not be in trouble with the law for well over 5 years now).
My brother went for a military PGAC and missed the final slog by a couple of seconds. He was to return a few months later to have another bash, but while waiting to hear from the military he got another letter through our door informing him that his and thousands of others details, who were service personel or attending various PGACs had been lost. Which would have been great if it had fallen into the hands of terrorists, with us living in Northern Ireland and that. My brother decided not to return because of the governments inability to secure service personel data, the type of which could put him and others like him at serious risk.
However, my own DNA is stored on the database as I was convicted of several crimes in my youth. That I have no problem with (as I've not be in trouble with the law for well over 5 years now).
Considering the costs of Testing DNA, they aren't going to be doing it just to "track" people, having an officer just follow them would be cheaper.
1) So the government has your DNA profile - What different could that possibly make in your life?
2) Worse case they lose it - What different could that possibly make in your life?
What data?
Everyone says omg what if they lose it, but what do you think people can possibly do with something like this
IT's not even all your DNA, only some very small pieces.
What data?
Everyone says omg what if they lose it, but what do you think people can possibly do with something like this
EXACTLY!!!! Christ print off mine and I'll hand it out for free!
See this argument fails.
This is what it sounds like to me.
I dont want DNA testing because if one day i do actually break the law i want to get away with it and not have the Police knock down my Front door while big burtha knocks down my back door a few weeks later
I doubt they would take any consideration of you DNA on a drug Dealer anyway, They got who they wanted and your DNA could have come from money or even brushing past him down the street
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What data?
Everyone says omg what if they lose it, but what do you think people can possibly do with something like this
IT's not even all your DNA, only some very small pieces.
I'm talking about the data in general the government has lost, if you'd read all my post and my brothers own experience with government agencies ******* up their data handling and security.
That's because that's what it is
Read my first post in here.
It's not an argument it's my reason
My argument is
"it;s an erosion of my civil liberties, I've done nothing wrong why should i be treated guilty and the ****er's will lose it"
Arguments don;t have to match reasons just purposes
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arent the odds of dna mismatches 1billion - 1? now im no pythagoras but there are 6 billion people on the planet. so at some point someone somewhere will be hauled in and accused of a horrific crime they didnt commit.
or is that ludricous?
or is that ludricous?
Yes? So? If they lose your DNA profile so what?
In the meantime if we did do it, criminals get caught quicker, and people are made all the safer!
And we're not doing this why? Because of irrational ill-thoughtout 'worries'...
That was a different kind of information, ie my address phone number, and bank details are not something I'd want lost.
Like are you concerned the yellow pages are going to lose your adress?
My DNA I couldn't give a monkies about.
Although that third line of the Rda sequence you posted does give away that third nipple you have
I doubt the 6 people in the world probably live so far apart that if that did happen they would be cleard because they haddnt even visited or been to or even heard of the townor even country where the crime was comited
no it;s something like 1 in 3 million iirc, surprisingly high whatever it is.
However that's only the small partial test (key markers which are usually different), once they have you they can do a much more complete one (costs more takes long time), only way thats being identical is if you have an identical twin.
+ theres the basic detective work, ie if you where known to be else where at the time or couldn't have got there at the time etc etc.
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Yes? So? If they lose your DNA profile so what?
In the meantime if we did do it, criminals get caught quicker, and people are made all the safer!
And we're not doing this why? Because of irrational ill-thoughtout 'worries'...
If they are incapable of securing data I don't want them having any data, let alone DNA data. DNA information might not mean that much, but that's not the point. The point is the government is completely incompetent when it comes to protecting private information.
As for irrational ill thoughtout worries, yes, because had my brothers information made it's way into the hand of dissidents, that is completely irrational.