Wikipedia Censorship

Dist said:
Does anyone know if any UK ISPs are censoring other websites too? This whole thing with wikipedia may not be their first lot of cencorship, it could simply be the most publicly well known now, but this could have been going on for a long time and with other websites.
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You're joking right?

Hundreds if not thousands/millions of websites are regularly blocked, from the more unsavoury porn to how to make a bomb or something, most are on the illegal side of things/questionably legal (I guess this specific one can fit within that) but who knows what else may be blocked.

Lysander said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_Faith_(album)
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TBH that image is far more "sexual", the other one just looked like a unisexual kid, could have been either really, what gets me is why people are attracted to people that young. :confused: (not to mention why that is considered sexual)
 
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Masterdog said:
Well yeah, but if you're not working for law enforcement then you're probably not enforcing the law...
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Your joking right? How many stories are there where someone has been claiming to be doing "research" into child porn for too purposes but in reality proved to be a dirty perv. IMO anyone blocking anything should be all kinds of vetted before they are allowed to work in that area.
 
Amp34 said:
You're joking right?
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Well i havn't come across any blocked websites. There are plenty of sites that could be classed as illegal or on the edge of illegality, yet are not blocked at all, which is why i wasn't sure if ISPs bother to block anything if so easily available illegal material is not blocked.
 
Dist said:
Well i havn't come across any blocked websites. There are plenty of sites that could be classed as illegal or on the edge of illegality, yet are not blocked at all, which is why i wasn't sure if ISPs bother to block anything if so easily available illegal material is not blocked.
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Ah ok, there have been a few articles in the news before about the subject.

To an extent though you may have been on a site that was blocked without knowing it, I tried to access that wiki page (on Virgin here) and it just came up with the usual 404 page. If I hadn't known it was blocked from here and was just browsing wiki I wouldn't have been any the wiser.

So much for internet freedom (if we ever had it)
 
I saw it.

Hardcore stuff.

Once again, how the hell did this cover got released in the first place?
 
Virgin Block it, but they don't tell you -- you just get a blank page... How do I know if they are blocking something or if they are ******* about with my connection?

Today it's an album cover . tomorrow it could be the UK equiv of tiananmen square.

Since when has it been acceptable ISP to control what we view - they should be no more than a common carrier.

You can view using wiki secure (https)

In 1976 there wasn't a child porn law - that never came into the UK until 1978.
 
whitecrook said:
Virgin Block it, but they don't tell you -- you just get a blank page... How do I know if they are blocking something or if they are ******* about with my connection?

Today it's an album cover . tomorrow it could be the UK equiv of tiananmen square.

Since when has it been acceptable ISP to control what we view - they should be no more than a common carrier.

You can view using wiki secure (https)

In 1976 there wasn't a child porn law - that never came into the UK until 1978.
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I can remember watching some film on late at night on terrestial tv in the late 70's which had a loads of child nudity throughout the film and finished with a soft porn of the father sleeping with his 8 year old daughter (soft but very graphic)

It is amazing looking back as to what was acceptable in the 70's
 
at work so not going to chance it... folks remember please dont post dodgy links (not aimed at OP) i'm pretty sure i clicked on a link on here before and it was blocked for pron - so IT will be in my face about that one....:/


agree it should be censored though (not the text though)
 
Gilly said:
On the face of it I don't really disagree with what they've done.

The only question I have is who are they protecting? The girl will most likely be in her 50s, married with kids/grandkids by now. Anyone using pre-teen images for their kicks will not be crawling through Wiki for them...
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It's not them doing it that's got me annoyed (if it wasn't for the IWF we would have had police prosecutions of ISP's by now and probably even more draconian controls on our internet connections) but the cack-handed way they've done it.

Everyone goes through a transparent proxy without consent and with obvious repurcussions for functionality of the site (in this case, anonymous edits aren't possible).

Of course, it's all moot as it doesn't work with encrypted traffic (HTTPS) due to the nature of the protocol and hence the offending material is still accessible to anyone who wants to view it merely by accessing via a slightly different URL.
 
I can access it through the government servers with no warnings, so it can't be deemed that bad.
 
Gog said:
I can access it through the government servers with no warnings, so it can't be deemed that bad.
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Regardless of whether it's 'bad' or not. The point is the ISPs are deciding what we view. they are censoring the internet for us. They are breaking functionality of the net in an effort to 'protect' us. It's all a load of balls.
 
Amp34 said:
Ah ok, there have been a few articles in the news before about the subject.

To an extent though you may have been on a site that was blocked without knowing it, I tried to access that wiki page (on Virgin here) and it just came up with the usual 404 page. If I hadn't known it was blocked from here and was just browsing wiki I wouldn't have been any the wiser.

So much for internet freedom (if we ever had it)
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Strange, im on virgin media too and when i tried to go to the page i dont get a 404 page like a normal missing page would give me, or any other type of error like could not connect to remote server or anything like that. Instead when i try to go to that page it just loads up a compleatly blank page, as if the page loaded correctly but there is just nothing on it.

I assume that if all blocked pages act the same as that then i haven't encountered one before.
 
whitecrook said:
Regardless of whether it's 'bad' or not. The point is the ISPs are deciding what we view. they are censoring the internet for us. They are breaking functionality of the net in an effort to 'protect' us. It's all a load of balls.
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Let's face it, ISPs aren't a public service that grant freedom of speech. They're a business that has the relevant terms and conditions applied, and if they decide that they wish to follow the recommendations of the IWF as to what to censor then it's completely up to them.

If you want to get annoyed, get annoyed with the IWF for not showing common sense in this instance. Don't get annoyed with companies that choose to restrict what you do with their hardware, just as you can't really get annoyed with clubs for example that restrict your access. There property/hardware/services, their right to impose which restrictions they choose within the law.
 
Dist said:
Strange, im on virgin media too and when i tried to go to the page i dont get a 404 page like a normal missing page would give me, or any other type of error like could not connect to remote server or anything like that. Instead when i try to go to that page it just loads up a compleatly blank page, as if the page loaded correctly but there is just nothing on it.

I assume that if all blocked pages act the same as that then i haven't encountered one before.
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Yes . This no warning, no message, nothing to say THIS IS BLOCKED, justa blank page...
 
Oh, fancy that. Chinese google actually shows the same results for Tiananmen square these days. Wonder when they changed that?
 
Westyfield2 said:
I get a 404 Not found
On O2 LLU (Be*) internet.........
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yeah i get that, the picture shows on the main article but u cant make it larger the 404 error comes up. Using a proxy it shows up tho so i guess my ISP(Sky) has blocked it?

When i first heard about this last night the first thing that came to my mind as well was why dont they block the nirvana nevermind cd:rolleyes:
 
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