Agreed.
FR is far far far easier to control.
MR and a short wheel base requires a hell of a lot more talent. Think SNAP happy.
Perhaps it's different in Gran Turismo though
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Agreed.
FR is far far far easier to control.
MR and a short wheel base requires a hell of a lot more talent. Think SNAP happy.
Perhaps it's different in Gran Turismo though
GT isn't the pinnacle of driving games as it was when released
True, but it was damn good fun drifting the EVO5 round the first corner of Seattle at ridiculous slip angles, dab of brakes, flick right left right then [clarkson]POWWEEEEERRR[/clarkson]
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Never said it was mandatory, i said in my first post that it helps unsettle the car, meaning creating a powerslide, in an AWD car, is easier.
For a RWD car, flicking the steering wouldn't be necessary, but again, helps to create a slide.
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True, but it was damn good fun drifting the EVO5 round the first corner of Seattle at ridiculous slip angles, dab of brakes, flick right left right then [clarkson]POWWEEEEERRR[/clarkson]
I've been doing that all weekend in a Lamborghini Murcielago GTR on PGR3, got bored of braking and taking the corners normally so ended up just sliding round most of the corners, even round the 'ring.
As far as I'm concerned a 'powerslide' requires the rear wheels to be powered, to push it round it's slide, so in that respect a FWD/FF car can't be used to powerslide, but an AWD/4WD can be.
Perhaps saying mandatory was incorrect. That being said most of the information in your first post was incorrect. I'd guess you're going on what you've seen on youtube as to going off any real world experience.
As far as I'm concerned a 'powerslide' requires the rear wheels to be powered, to push it round it's slide, so in that respect a FWD/FF car can't be used to powerslide, but an AWD/4WD can be.
Exactly.
Perhaps you missed the undertone of jest in my first post Re: FWD powerslides
However, i see nothing much wrong with what i wrote about 4WD powerslides - it IS easier (note: NOT mandatory) to flick the steering to break grip and then get the power down to keep the slide going.
No. I'm Lewis Hamilton.
Perhaps you missed the undertone of jest in my first post Re: FWD powerslides
However, i see nothing much wrong with what i wrote about 4WD powerslides - it IS easier (note: NOT mandatory) to flick the steering to break grip and then get the power down to keep the slide going.
No. I'm Lewis Hamilton.
Sorry I didn't see any
or smilies.What I was mainly refering to was.
If you lift of you 99% of the time wont get the back end out without some help (usually the hand brake) and the slide wont 'evaporate' when you touch the power. Power can be used to keep the back end out.
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How can you know what kinda slide you'll have let alone predict a 'fairly mini iirc' slide?
The poor OP'er wont know which answer to believe when people with no idea keep posting their best guess.
In which case use some of your years of experience and world class talent to accuratly answer the question
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99% of the time if i'm going fairly quickly onto a roundabout, i'm turning and i lift off the throttle when i feel the front end understeering, the back end will come out. And with a dab of the throttle, the backend will "snap" straight back into line. I thought it was common knowledge that if you experience lift off oversteer, you accelerate to put some downforce back onto the rear axel.But if i'm wrong, please by all means correct me! We're all here to learn!
Sorry if i didn't make this clear, but i meant "mini" in regard to how far you could powerslide in RWD machine. It's clearly going to be harder to keep an Impreza powersliding longer than an M3 for instance.
It's not a "guess". I've backed it up with reason. If you can show any different, go ahead. Admittedly i rushed when i posted it, but nothing i've written is wrong, it just isn't explained fully.
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lol
Perhaps slowing down a little bit would be better than losing the back end 99% of the time you enter a round about.
Not very clear at all tbh.
Your posts are not factual or backed up with fact..
Erm yeah, how its not a powersilde. You also mentioned the flick with 4WD cars and not FWD.
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It all comes down to the talent of the driver, and the situation. But I still stand by my previous comments Orange Peel.
All a hand brake does is unsettle/undo grip, much the same as flicking. All of it works/doesn't work pending on your driving style and level of skill/talent.
My m3 will skip out on a wet day if I over use the gas with no encouragement
My track toy will skip out if u open full throttle in 2nd or 3rd even in the dry.
My Corrado would oversteer on demand if you used lift off over steer to break it away and then use steering and throttle input to keep it there.
My elise I ran out of talent on and parked into a post.
All a hand brake does is unsettle/undo grip, much the same as flicking. All of it works/doesn't work pending on your driving style and level of skill/talent.
My m3 will skip out on a wet day if I over use the gas with no encouragement
My track toy will skip out if u open full throttle in 2nd or 3rd even in the dry.
My Corrado would oversteer on demand if you used lift off over steer to break it away and then use steering and throttle input to keep it there.
My elise I ran out of talent on and parked into a post.
Sorry but that is total baws.
Pretty much all production cars, bar some, repeat some, performance cars, are setup to understeer from the factory. Why? Because the general numpty motoring public can deal with understeer much more readily than oversteer.
Hell, even my MR2 will, in dry conditions and not heavily on the throttle, understeer unless provoked into oversteer through throttle or steering inputs.
What utter rubbish. The manufacturers don't sit down and say 'right lads' lets make all our FWD cars understeer. Understeering is usually due to too much gas while going through a corner. This is the drivers doing and not some plan hatched by the manufacturer.
... Are you delibarately trying to misunderstand my posts?
I don't lose the back end on 99% of the roundabouts i take during a day of driving. I was saying that when i WANT the backend to step out, lifting off, coupled with a bit of speed will give me oversteer, that will pretty much disappear if i put my foot down again.I don't know how i can make it more clear, but if there is anything else you don't understand, i'll try and explain it as best i can. Maybe the Tiff video i posted will aid your understanding of the subject further.
Well, i think i've proved they are and can only imagine you're bored and just want to argue over....pretty much nothing?
In English please?
*hits head against wall* ok. Maybe it's my fault that i didn't write a 3 page reply stating that it doesn't matter HOW you unsettle the car, it's the unsettling which is important in 4WD and FWD cars. I just assumed it was a given that you needed to upset the car's balance to promote a slide.
And also, you wrote:
Rubbish. Turning the steering wheel is enough. Source: Tiff Needell video
Again, rubbish. For someone who's accusing other people of not being factual, you're doing a good job on the ironing. Again, Source: Tiff Needell video
?? I suspect this is absolute rubbish too, on anything but a strangely set up car, such as the one clarkey posted earlier, but hitting the throttle whilst getting the backend out in a FWD car will cause it to straighten up - or cause the slide to "evaporate", which, guess what, i said in my first post.
Again, Source: Tiff Needell video.
How are you not getting this?
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Okay
Also I didnt say just FWD cars, but many RWD and AWD cars understeer from the factory.
But hey, thats utter rubbish right?
LOL, I give up - enjoy
Be clearer about what you're getting at then. I'm always up for learning something new as long as the facts are correct.
Okay
Also I didnt say just FWD cars, but many RWD and AWD cars understeer from the factory.
But hey, thats utter rubbish right?
Jeezz. Most FWD cars understeer, I totally agree. What I'm saying is that its not specifically designed that way, its a by-products of the cheaper cost of producing a front engined, FWD car. Its been made out to be some master plan when in reality its just how FWD cars are.
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I think he meant with RWD cars, you increase the power to increase the slide...well that's my understanding from games anyway.
I've only had first hand sliding experience in a FWD car and one time I did it I binned it...and they were mostly done by accident.