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I need some advice for my first w/c set up.

Now i have already posted on two sites.... slizone and evga.com, and unless you are a regular poster it seems that they do not want to help, (i know there are a lot of these requests but they were all nubes once).

I will not post any details again and have it ignored so, if you are willing to help, just say so, and i will post all of my specs and ideas so that you can then take them all apart.
 
My computer is-
C2D [email protected] cooled with a thermalright ultra-120 extreme.
8800gtx@641/1502/1003 cooled with a Arctic Cooling Accelero Xtreme 8800 VGA Cooler.
Northbridge cooled with a thermaright cooler.
4gB of ram.
ON a EVGA608i Mboard.

Gigabyte 3d aurora case.

New parts for water cooling that i am considering.

Cpu block-Swiftech Apogee GTZ (LGA775) Waterblock.

VGA block- dont know need advice please.

Northbridge block-Swiftech MCW30 Chipset Waterblock.

Rad-TFC Xchanger - Triple Radiator 360, or double if it is good enough for a three block loop.

Pump-Swiftech Laing D5 Vario MCP655 12V DC Pump.

Res- I may just go with a T line unless someone can advise me better.

Tubing-Feser Tube Blue UV 1/2 2-3 meters.

Coolant and additives-Feser.

Fittings- dont know need advice here too, things like barbs, quick release connections etc.
I want to use 1/2 inch id tubing so do all of these parts come with the required fittings so i do not have to buy any extras.

If i have forgotten anything please let me know.

Thanks for any help.
 
Why do you want to watercool?

There's a few reasons...

- Want best performance possible from the kit.
- Want to "save money" with lower end hardware but watercooling for higher clocks
- It looks good
- You just want to do it
- You want an utterly silent PC
- Money burning a hole in your pocket

Etc. Some of those are good and some of those are bad reasons.

I'm on water, and it's at times a PITA. I'm about to switch from 939 to AM2+. I've ordered a VRM block from one place in Germany. Fittings from a different place. And CPU block fittings for AM2 from England.

It's expensive to start off with. And any time you change components it costs you an extra fortune. 40 quid for the VRM block this time around. Thankfully northrbridge/southbridge blocks are pretty universal, so I'll keep those, and no GFX card change this time around. Last time around it was a full cover GFX block, a reduced profile northbridge block, 2 VRM blocks...

It does look better though, it is silent, it does allow for a little higher clocks...
 
welcome to the forum moremoney - and ditto what the halk said.

I'd go with one of the EK NB blocks but otherwise nice spec so far.
Could be tweeked for performance, blink or quiet dependant on your 'need'
 
Thanks for replys.

@ halk,
better performance, looks good, quieter pc, extend life of parts, this pc will eventually get passed down to my daughter.

I want high end money is no problem.
Hole? i have a crater here.



I think i know what i want and/or need but i want to be convinced that i have it right.
I have a lot of questions that need an answer, and no one person knows it all.

ie should i get just a block with a ram kit for my 8800gtx or should i get a full cover, also which brand is best.
If i use the Apogee GTZ (which is the only thing that i am sure about) are there things like flow and restriction with the gpu block and nb block that
should concern me. In other words does it matter or are there better pairings between the blocks???? what works best with what.

For the rad i would like to use a tripple with fans in push/pull config, which my research has shown me is the best setup for a tripple rad config.

Can my Gigabyte 3d Aurora acommodate a tripple rad on top, at the back, inside etc, etc, or should i or can i, get away with a double rad with three blocks in my loop. If the tripple is possible but with mods then i am capable of doing them. (I do have a helicopter manuf background).

This is an example of the questions that i have.

Thanks Nick.
 
To fit a radiator anywhere other than the back of the case would require mods. Because of the dual 120 mm exhausts, there are eight holes on the back to mount a radiator if you don't mind sacrificing one/both of the internal exhaust fans.
 
If i could get a tripple rad inside my case modding is not a problem, (does anyone know how), but would a double TFC Xchanger be enough for a three block setup,
ie cpu, nb, gpu, which is the way i want to go, but my mind could be changed.

Now about that rad, could i get decent temps in a three block setup ie cpu, nb, gpu, using an TFC Xchanger double rad.
Money is no problem i want cold, quiet, good looks and the best. Just like my woman really. do you want a link.
 
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If money is no object then consider an AquaDuct 360XT revision 2. Roughly 340 quid. It's the top end of watercooling, and ticks almost every box. You'll need blocks inside the case, but everything else is external.
 
Halk, money may be no object but stupid i ain't.
3 after adding (at the minimum) blocks cpu, gpu, nb that must be about £500.
2 I want internal as much as possible.
1 I can get better performance with a custom kit.
 
Fair enough :)

3 - And it's overpriced for what you get. Although the monitoring is unmatched.
2 - That's as external as you can get :)
1 - Yes. No one company makes all the best parts.

But it did you no harm to look at it :)

Edit : I should say I'm not ignoring the questions you asked in your almost initial post. I simply don't know anything about 1/2 fittings.

As for the res, I'd get one if it fits, from anything I've read people seem to go for T lines when a res is not desirable due to space.

Unless you really want to go for the highest possible graphics clock then go for a non restrictive full cover block. Used to be a better idea to go for just a GPU block and ramsinks, but when the G80 arrived it was a better idea to go for full coverage to get the VRMs since the cards use silly amounts of power. At the time I do remember (was it Swiftech?) coming up with the idea of a passive coverall for each card, but keeping with a GPU block. That to me seemed like a good compromise, but I've heard nothing about it - not that I've looked - so it may not have taken off.

You are of course on the money for the CPU block. It's by almost all accounts the best performing.

I'm not so sure on 1/2 inch tubing, that's rather large bore. It has no negative effect, but it might make things tight internally.

I've tried Swiftech additive twice for about a year each. My current water has AquaComputer additive. I'm inclined to say the AquaComputer is the best. Although it equally could be the distilled water I got from (Homebase?) was not as clean as the distilled water I got from Halfords :P None of them have produced a huge amount of gunk. The AquaComputer has produced nil though.

As for your questions on "will it fit" and if a double or triple rad is needed... something is ringing a bell, if you bear with me I'm going to have a look at something I read a while ago, if I can find it. Specifically a template which can be printed (?) and thermal capacity of radiators. Until I find them again though I won't be entirely convinced I read them in the first place :P
 
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I must admit i thought i had looked at all of the kits because i thought it was the best way to get initiated, BUT i missed this one.
It is great but not good enough, like i said,
I Want The Best Parts.
Nick.
 
Last thing on the AquaDuct before I get accused of trying to sell it. There's no reason to use AquaComputer blocks with it if you pick it. But you'd be stuck with their pump, res, rad and fans. They're very good, but not the best.

Right.

http://www.thermochill.com/guides/PA120-3.pdf

Template for the Thermochill PA120.3 radiator. If it fits easily then any triple will fit, if it clearly doesn't then none will. If it's close then you'll need exact dimensions.

http://www.thermochill.com/PATesting/

You should be looking at head dissipation.

Your CPU and graphics card together running at full pelt will be ~220W of heat. If you want silence then I've run a PA120.3 with 3 Nexus fans at 12V and it's very quiet.

Clearly you're sharp so you can make your own judgement based on the thermal dissipation graphs which rad would be best (the 120.3 of course) but if the 120.2 would be enough.
 
Are you saying that YOU would do this if you had the finance?

Wrong the best rads are the Tfc Xchangers, why are people still promoting the thermchill.

You must be w/c show me your specs.

Is that Hamilton Scotland.

My Fatherinlaw is a scot and he hates me too.



Oh by the way no one has CLAIMED me so i give myself to you. I just loved your Clearly you're sharp comment, so i am yours.
Nick.


Where are my colours gone i tried to put that in pink hu.
 
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No. I wouldn't go AquaDuct.

I'm not promoting the ThermoChill. I'm giving you size details so you can find out if you can fit a triple rad in your case. And I'm giving you some information on thermal capacity of radiators so you can try to work out if you should get a double or a triple.

I run a ThermoChill 120.3 (I'd pick a Feser if I was buying again). I have an AquaStream pump running at 500l/H. I have all AquaComputer blocks - Cuplex XT DI, couple of Twinplexes on the NB/SB (one is a low profile). 2 VRM blocks. 8mm OD pushfit. Aquatube.

The PC is a Asus A8N32 SLI-16 Deluxe running an Opteron 185 @3.0 24/7. 8800 GTX OC2 running at 650/2050. 2GB of Mushkin Redline @500 CL2.5. Raptor 150GB, couple of 750GB WDs in a Lian Li V2000B case.

I'm waiting on parts for an upgrade.

Moving to a M3A79-T Deluxe, Phenom II 940 BE, 4GB of Mushkin Ascent PC8500. In the same case with the same graphics card. Keeping the watercooling as is, dropping 2 VRM blocks for an Anfi-tec VRM block (only place I can get one).

And yes that's Hamilton Scotland.
 
1 Ithought not.
2 TFC XChanger without a doubt. Double or triple is why i am here. IE, will it work with 3 blocks, is the performance diff in real terms worth it, etc,etc. As i have already stated, rads are the best part of your cooling but how, what, where, when, and i have not even asked about yet.
But i will.
 
@Halk Just noticed your card. xelent.

Mine for games only, set up with RIVA TUNER 641/1502/1003.

all other times on stock.

I may get better, but for small numbers and no physical gain in games, why stress it to breaking point.
 
@ Halk i will get back to you when i have investigated your specs, but i can tell you are an AMD fanboy already. So was i the light i see the light the light f the expense
OH **** here comes Intel with its better.................................................................................
 
Not really. When I went 939 it was because AMD was overclocking better. And now I'm going Phenom II it's because it's miles cheaper than high end Intel quads. I've no idea if it'll be Intel or AMD for the upgrade after this one.
 
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