Obama is a fraud!

[semi-pro waster]

Does the same also apply to the mainstream media/governments/politicians that told us there WMDs in Iraq?

People can be wrong, what matters is if they are big enough to admit to it. "When I realise I'm wrong, I change my mind. What do you do, Sir?" - John Maynard Keynes as the most pertinent quote for this area.

Ok so maybe on ocuk forums most, though not all, people flame me when I make posts revealing what's going on. But it doesn't deter me as more and more people are opening there eyes to the bigger picture. When I go out in the real life and talk to people about these matters lots and lots of people can see what's going on and aware of the NWO. So don't all sit there on your high intellectual horses saying people like me are deluded minority because that isn't the case.

I don't flame you for revealing what you think is going on, in fact I hope I don't flame you at all, but I will point out where and when I think you are going wrong. I just happen to fundamentally disagree with many of the conclusions that you and Mr Icke have reached regarding the state of the World. A lot of the problems I have with conspiracy theories is the simultaneous belief that a shadowy corps of people/lizards/whatever control the World well enough to be hidden away from almost anyone yet have been discovered by a couple of people on the internet who can reveal them if you care to listen - you credit them with too much power and yet too little at the same time. I've repeatedly tried to say that thinking about a subject is great, what appears to be unthinkingly embracing any number of weird beliefs isn't the same thing.

For the little it matters I've yet to meet anyone in person who believes that we're ruled by reptilians, perhaps that is because they suspect I'd not be receptive to such beliefs or perhaps I subconciously surround myself with people who aren't likely to believe in such things but if we're supplying anecdotal evidence I might as well put it forward.

 

[BigglesPiP]

So this guy has takes one word Obama has said, made up his own context for it, and used it to write a couple of pages of bull ****. Is there a single fact or valid concept in there, it's just talking.

And speaking of bull ****, wasn't David Icke on Penn & Teller's Bull **** spouting bull ****.

Don't think I'm an Obama fan, I just won't stand for any bull ****.

 

[Jono8]

They are clearly doing a terrible job if a mad ex coventry goalkeeper has figured them out aswell as Magick and most of the people he knows..

 

[magick]

Actually, it was the mainstream media which helped to disprove the lie about WMD in Iraq. Just look at the work of Seymour Hersh, John Simpson, Robert Fisk, and John Pilger; all mainstream journalists who debunked the many lies surrounding the war.

And did it avoid the war that there were all these misgivings about the lies justifying the war? No!

Many politicians also rejected the claim of WDM in Iraq, resisted the war, and have since been vindicated.

Did any of our democratic institutions or politicans manage to stop the war despite it being founded on lies and deception? No!

Why? Because the people that really run our country(s) had decided, probably years in advance, that we were going to invade Iraq regardless of what anyone else thinks. And the fact they went ahead unihinged should show that there power and the decisions they make transcend that of any publicly elected puppets in our so-called democracy.

Your problem is that you keep referring to groups like the media, governments, politicians etc. as if they are all one homogeneous mass (or several homogeneous masses) when in fact, they are all deeply divided along political and ideological lines. They don't all share the same position, they're not all in cahoots with each other, and they frequently break ranks with their own.

Whether the media or politicans are divided is irrelavnt becuase the people who pull there strings get there own way regardless.

 

[magick]

Every time you post a link it basically reads something along the lines of "The Rothschilds control world finance because.... they do".

No they control it because it's very well documented they've controlled the financial system for at least the past three centuries.

I suggest you watch this 3 hour documentray detailing the rise of the central banking system and the Rothschild rise to power over the centuries. You'll also gain a better understanding of why we're really in the credit crunch.

The Money Masters Part 1
The Money Masters Part 2

You just make accusations, lots of them, and outlandish ones to boot. I don't think in this day and age, especially with global communication through the internet that any secret organisation could hide their actions if they were as sinister and far reaching as you make out. The number of people that would have to be in collusion with each other, and all keep it secret for it to work is just too high.

You'r correct in this day and age it's very difficult to keep a secret hence why so many people are now aware of things they weren't 20 years ago. When everyone only had the mainstream press and media for there information people were pretty unoblivious to shadowry gorups and families pulling the strings behind the scenes.

The internet has allowed true freedom of speech and the spread of information. Take the documentary above, there's no way that would ever have been broadcast over corporate media networks, but now thanks to anyone with a PC and internet connection can watch it.

 

[magick]

For the little it matters I've yet to meet anyone in person who believes that we're ruled by reptilians, perhaps that is because they suspect I'd not be receptive to such beliefs or perhaps I subconciously surround myself with people who aren't likely to believe in such things but if we're supplying anecdotal evidence I might as well put it forward.

I've never met anyone in person that belives we're ruled by reptilians. However I've met lots of people who don't belive the people the media tell us are in charge are the ones that are really in charge and that they are nothing more than a public face for an illuminati type group.

a lot of people assume that if you listen to what David Icke says you believe we're ruled by Reptillians. That's not the case. On his forums even there's two schools of thought, one who belive the conspiracy stops with a human 'illuminati' organisation and another who think behind the illuminati are reptillians controlling them.

 

[Tombo]

Bwahaha.

 

[Tefal]

"Look out for these all these ancient, dangerous and mysteriously secret organisations, whose innermost plans are all inexplicably known by me, some random internet-using person!"

Well hey, that sounds credible.

If they're that powerful and these people where even close to the truth, surely magick would have just had a "car accident" by now?

 

[Zip]

I stopped reading after he compared him to Hitler, what utter tripe. All election campaigns use words to infulence people, that's the whole purpose of an election campaign.

I read the thread and saw the user name then i decided not to read it.



Magick is so confused

 

[MoNkeE]

Whether the media or politicans are divided is irrelavnt becuase the people who pull there strings get there own way regardless.

But I thought you said they're all controlled by these secret organisations? If that's the case, how can they be divided? Or are they told to be divided, in order to further confuse us!? MY HEAD!!!

 

[Von Smallhausen]

David Icke has hit the nail on the head with this one.

No.

Someone has hit David Icke on the head with a nail at some point because the man is as mad as a pan of crabs.

 

[Dark_Angel]

Wow, awesome thread. Excellent points made.





Just kidding - it fails

 

[magick]

i could be bothered to reply but i cant cause its christams and im steming.

 

[Killa_ken]

Your wrong Barry is the man, he's going to fix everything dont cha kno.

 

[Tefal]

i could be bothered to reply but i cant cause its christams and im steming.

 

[Killa_ken]

^^ LOFL!

 

[Sankari]

And did it avoid the war that there were all these misgivings about the lies justifying the war? No!

Correct. Which proves that the media and government are not on the same side (as you had claimed).

Did any of our democratic institutions or politicans manage to stop the war despite it being founded on lies and deception? No!

Correct. Which proves that the government and political parties are not one homogeneous group (as you had implied).

Why? Because the people that really run our country(s) had decided, probably years in advance, that we were going to invade Iraq regardless of what anyone else thinks. And the fact they went ahead unihinged should show that there power and the decisions they make transcend that of any publicly elected puppets in our so-called democracy.

If you still don't understand that democratic governments are perfectly entitled to make decisions without the consent of the people (even when highly unpopular), I can only feel sorry for you.

Australia went to war with Vietnam in the face of overwhelming public opposition; Thatcher introduced the poll tax in the face of overwhelming public opposition; examples could be multiplied.

Traditionally, governments which make too many unpopular decisions are dethroned by the public at the next election. And that's exactly what history demonstrates. Which in turn disproves your claim that these nefarious secret organisations are pulling the strings to ensure that "their people" are always elected.

Whether the media or politicans are divided is irrelavnt becuase the people who pull there strings get there own way regardless.

Oh, so it's irrelevant now? But it seemed highly relevant when you were making your earlier claims.

What changed?

 

[Sankari]

Take the documentary above, there's no way that would ever have been broadcast over corporate media networks, but now thanks to anyone with a PC and internet connection can watch it.

I imagine that only reason why it hasn't been broadcast over corporate media networks is because its makers won't allow it.

They have permitted it to be broadcast by public networks, albeit under the strictest conditions:

The Money Masters video/DVD is not in the public domain. Copyright violation is a federal crime. However, we are often requested to allow broadcast of The Money Masters on public access TV, or to public groups. We do occasionally allow this, without charge, subject to the following conditions:

1. Any request to broadcast must be made in writing or email, with the full contact information by the responsible party arranging the broadcast, with a copy of these conditions included;

2. The broadcast venue must be described to us in detail, including a description of the audience;

3. The specific date(s) and time(s) for each of the broadcast(s) must be set forth in the request;

4. No duplication nor recording of the video/DVD whatsoever is allowed;

5. The copyright warning must be included at the beginning of the broadcast;

6. No fees, no donations, no commercials may be solicited in connection with the broadcast, nor between segments, except the identification of the public access channel (if broadcast on public access TV);

7. The broadcast must include themoneymasters.com website with the words:
"To order visit: themoneymasters.com", for a minimum of ten (10) seconds, prominently displayed, in each segment broadcast;

8. If broken into segments for broadcast, all segments must be shown within eight (8) days of the first segment broadcast;

9. No editing may be performed, nor extraneous material inserted;

10. Copies of the video The Money Masters, purchased from our website: themoneymasters.com, may be offered for sale at, and announcement to the audience must be made that "recording in any manner is prohibited," at any broadcast at which an audience is physically present (such as at a college auditorium);

11. After the broadcast we request a feedback email informing us of audience numbers and reaction, and any other pertinent information (such as any problems encountered) insofar as this may be easily determined;

12. Our approval in reply to such request must be received in writing or in email reply from us at [email protected], which approval must be acknowledged by the recipient before broadcast, and the approval must posted at the broadcast site for inspection.
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Source.

In any case, it has been broadcast on PBS in the USA, so what's the big deal? Nobody can claim that it's being stifled by "the powers that be". When a government-owned media station allows you to broadcast a 3.5-hour anti-government documentary, you're going to look pretty stupid if you continue to claim persecution.

 

[Toekiller]

We're in a win win situation. If the 'dare not speak their name' exist they'll take magik out/away. If they don't exist they don't exist!

 

[Murf]

The internet has allowed true freedom of speech and the spread of information.

It's also allowed crazies to pool their craziness into one big, annoying mass of crazy. Which is fine, it's allowed and all but still frustrates me.

I'd actually address your other comments but Evangelion is doing a cracking job on his own. Try responding to his actual comments, he's basically explained why everything you say is inaccurate, point by point, and with evidence and you're ignoring him.