Was Jesus born on 25th December?

[thepharcyde]

NO

 

[SexyGreyFox]

He allegedly turned water into wine. Did he then proceed to drink the wine?

There is a theory that turning water into wine meant turning unbelievers into believers.
Raising the dead also meant the same thing.

 

[Chimerical]

Because it sucks tbh, just a reason to spend money. Oh, and as Tefal says, "only for non Christians", that phrase applies to "beats having to go to Church or do anything slightly religious". To which the typical response on here will be "you sux and you're not alpha enough". Oh well!

Well aren't you a joyous person.

I'd rather people spent some money (in moderation) and had Christmas than do nothing at this time of year.

 

[sunama]

There is a theory that turning water into wine meant turning unbelievers into believers.
Raising the dead also meant the same thing.

Are you suggesting that this theory intimates that the phrase, "...turned water into wine...", was a metaphor and that it didn't literally happen?

I prefer to be explicit rather than ambiguous, especially when it comes to religion and religious messages.

 

[Skull]

And the bread and fish? Walking on water? Healing cripples and gyrating spastics?

 

[Whiskas]

and what about his surviving an attack from Voldemort as a child... Oh wait that's Harry Potter

 

[Mr Jack]

1. Drinking vast quantities of alcohol, to a point you become drunk, pass out or vomit. My Christian friends tell me that Jesus was actually tee-total. If this is true, then the alcoholism that occurs during Christmas (which at its, is supposed to be a religious affair), makes a mockery of what the champion of Christianity (Jesus) stood for.

There's is absolutely zero biblical support for the notion that Jesus was tee-total, it's a 19th Century invention. The Jesus of the Bible turned water into wine after everyone at the party was already drunk. The Jesus of the Bible entreated his followers to drink this in rememberance of me.

Tee-total, me pert bum.

 

[Skull]

If he didn't exist at all...

I hate all this friggin commercialism, thats why I prefer the Catholic-Orthodox Christmas. No ********, no one on this forum being a manbasher "UH JESUS DIDNT EXIST OMFG ITS A MADE UP FAIRYTALE", no christmas rush. Oh, and to the OP, how could you have not known that!?

You prefer the orthodox catholic christmas because no one challenges your beliefs?

 

[sunama]

The Jesus of the Bible turned water into wine after everyone at the party was already drunk.

But was he drunk?

 

[Skull]

Well what difference does it make if he was or not?

If Jesus handed out ammunition to some bullet-less african rebels halfway through their massacre of a village, you can't take the fact that he didn't do any shooting himself to mean he doesn't approve of it and it's therefore wrong.

 

[aslco]

I thought it was to do with the switch of claendars and that his birthday was on the 7th of January as celebrated by certain Christians.

 

[Zip]

But would Jesus be happy to see all the above mentioned points [see my post, points 1-4]?

He allegedly died for the sins of man. Man has gone on to commit further sin, using the Christmas period, as an excuse.

Surely he did not have imagined that this would go onto happen in the future?

He died on the cross to save us from sin.


Every one has the oppitunity to be forgiven now if they want it.

This doesnt mean go out and sin though

 

[magick]

Are you suggesting that this theory intimates that the phrase, "...turned water into wine...", was a metaphor and that it didn't literally happen?

I prefer to be explicit rather than ambiguous, especially when it comes to religion and religious messages.

Yes a metaphor as dmpoole says. Jesus curing the blindman was another metaphor for making people see truth or the light. In fact a lot of the bible is metaphorical for example the garden of eden and casting out of adam and eve are also metaphors.

 

[Dunks]

Well what difference does it make if he was or not?

If Jesus handed out ammunition to some bullet-less african rebels halfway through their massacre of a village, you can't take the fact that he didn't do any shooting himself to mean he doesn't approve of it and it's therefore wrong.

What the hell are you on about...?

 

[G-MAN2004]

Coca Cola is green before colouring is added.



And that is my useless random fact for today.

No it isn't, therefore, it isn't a fact.

 

[Pav89]

You prefer the orthodox catholic christmas because no one challenges your beliefs?

Nah, mainly due to the commercialism tbh. and the food is soooo much better hehehe

 

[Tefal]

Surely he did not have imagined that this would go onto happen in the future?

He's God mate, he knew it was going to happen

He allegedly died for the sins of man. Man has gone on to commit further sin

He died so all could seek forgiveness, past present and future.

 

[Tefal]

If he didn't exist at all...

I hate all this friggin commercialism, thats why I prefer the Catholic-Orthodox Christmas. No ********, no one on this forum being a manbasher "UH JESUS DIDNT EXIST OMFG ITS A MADE UP FAIRYTALE", no christmas rush. Oh, and to the OP, how could you have not known that!?

So you're an orthodox catholic who takes the lords name in vain?

Nuns didn't beat you hard enough did they.

 

[Droolinggimp]

I thought it was to do with the switch of claendars and that his birthday was on the 7th of January as celebrated by certain Christians.

Pretty much what I was told. Before he was born wasnt we using a different calender that had only 10 months? Something to do with base 7 or ten numbers, which the world was using at the time, thus making his birthday in the tenth and last month. I have no source other than what my Vicar told me a few years back.

Ill try to find out more if I can be bothered.

Found something but not to back up my theory.

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THE TRUE BIRTHDAY OF JESUS


<B> According to the best information I can find, Jesus was born on the 14th of May in 6 BC. Therefore His 2,000 birthday was on 14 May 1995. Regardless of which date you choose for the birthday of Jesus it was not on December 25th or January 6th and God never intended that it would be observed and celebrated. God wants us to remember the death, burial and resurrection of His Son, which is the Good News and the purpose of His coming.
For several centuries the Christian assembly itself paid little attention to the celebration of Jesus' birth. The major Christian festival was Passover, the day of His Resurrection. Only gradually, as the church developed a calendar to commemorate the major events of the life of Jesus, did it celebrate His birth.
Because the date of Jesus' birth had been forgotten, a day had to be selected. The Eastern Orthodox and the Eastern Rite churches chose January 6 while the Western church, based in Rome, chose December 25. It is known from a notice in an ancient Roman almanac that Christmas was celebrated on December 25 in Rome in AD 336. For 300 years His birthday was not celebrated so why should we celebrate it today?
It is said the "Jesus is the reason for the season" but it never was so from the beginning. Today Christmas is a celebration for the god of possessions and merchandise. Santa Clause is this god's name and you had better watch out for he is keeping a list of who is naughty and who is nice. At least that is the teaching of the followers of this god.
Our HOPE, SALVATION, and REDEMPTION is in Jesus not Santa. Yet it seems that more people believe in Santa than in Jesus. Whom will you choose to follow?

"Don't lay up treasures for yourselves on the earth, where moth and rust consume, and where thieves break through and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consume, and where thieves don't break through and steal; for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is sound, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eye is evil, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
"No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other; or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You can't serve both God and Mammon." Matthew 6:19-24 WEB
NOTE: Those who follow Christ are full of light while those who follow Santa are full of darkness.
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Does this mean Christians cannot give gifts during Christmas and observe the holiday? In this area, as in many others, a balance must be sought. Churches should not have Christmas trees or anything to do with Santa Clause in their programs. Christian families should teach their children, at an early age, that Santa Clause is not real and does not bring gifts. They should not be taken to set on Santa's lap to recite a list of wants or be allowed to write him letters. They should be taught when questioned "What did Santa bring you?" to reply that my parents, grandparents, and others gave me my gifts.
It is of the greatest importance that Christians are taught that all comes from God and all belongs to Him. We are the stewards of His gifts. To say Santa brings gifts will make God jealous for it damages His name, for He is the One who gives gifts not Santa. "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!" Matthew 7:11 WEB </B>

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[semi-pro waster]

What the hell are you on about...?

The point sunama seems to be making is that Jesus was teetotal and therefore would not approve of people drinking alcohol, if he turned water into wine for other people (as the literal interpretation gives) then irrespective of whether he himself drank it, he obviously can't have been that opposed to it.

Oh and as said it seems highly unlikely that Jesus was born on 25th December, it was just a handy Pagan festival that was already established to hang the date on, if you want to subsume another religions believers then adopting and subverting their holidays eases the transition.