4870 1gb versus 280

[mmj_uk]

It looks better to him with AA of his choosing & that all that matters as its his Living room his TV & at a viewing distance he likes & that really all that matters & nothing what you think or say changes the fact that its better for him.

Well his situation is rather unique (lowish HDTV resolution, huge screen, sitting too close) and he's said himself that 4870x2 is the only card he's found "satisfactory", so why even bring 8x AA into it?

The thread is between 4870 and GTX280 so 8x AA doesn't really come into play unless you feel the need to highlight a specific condition where 4870 is actually competitive.

 

[Final8y]

Well his situation is rather unique (lowish HDTV resolution, huge screen, sitting too close) and he's said himself that 4870x2 is the only card he's found "satisfactory", so why even bring 8x AA into it?

The closer you sit the more AA is needed regardless 1080P still puts plenty of strain on modern GPU.s
His situation is rather common & even on 720P screens, people just sit to close when gaming.

The thread is between 4870 and GTX280 so 8x AA doesn't really come into play unless you feel the need to highlight a specific condition where 4870 is actually competitive.

Well that's partly what it comes down to then that's what's needed as its an indication of reserved power.

 

[Overslop]

So you sit 3ft away from a 40" HDTV and claim to have good eyesight?

There lies your problem, you should just sit 10ft away like everyone else and you wouldn't need 8x AA, or buy a smaller screen next time if your room isn't big enough.

With any single GPU card the tiny improvement in IQ of 8x AA doesn't justify the extra impact on performance, I can understand 4870x2 owners not wanting all those extra frames to go wasted but even then I think most of it is psychological.

The bigger 30" monitors are much higher resolution than your average 1080P HDTV you're not meant to sit 3ft away from a 40" HDTV.

I do indeed have very good eyesight but I like to sit very close for better immersion. I find it a lot more enjoyable like this, whether it's of popular taste or not. Sitting 10 feet away would defeat the purpose of me buying a larger screen due to finding my old 24" Dell too small.

And again, 8xAA does not make a tiny improvement. As stated before, on a large screen the difference is indeed very noticable. It has nothing to do with having a 4870x2 or any kind of psychological flaw. I've been applying as much AA as possible since owning a 8800GTX. Even on the 24" Dell, I could appreciate higher AA levels. On a large screen the benefits are much more obvious.

It is true that some of the 30" screens have higher resolutions than HDTVs but I don't see what your point is. Are you saying that because they have higher resolutions than HDTVs it is OK to sit that close, but not with a 1080P screen because the resolution is too low? Again, this is where AA comes in and is what I have been trying to explain to you.

 

[Overslop]

No, it effects all large displays that use relatively low resolutions in contrast to there size, look up Dot Pitch/Pixel Size and read it, you might learn something.

This is where the high AA comes in.

And I wasn't kidding about your HDTV being setup incorrectly or it not being suited to being a monitor. 2 of my HDMI ports give terrible PC monitor performance. But one of them is secretly configured (I say this because there is no mention of it in the TV's documentation) to work ideally as a PC screen. And the result is superb PC monitor performance.

 

[Overslop]

It looks better to him with AA of his choosing & that all that matters as its his Living room his TV & at a viewing distance he likes & that really all that matters & nothing what you think or say changes the fact that its better for him.

 

[Final8y]

I do indeed have very good eyesight but I like to sit very close for better immersion. I find it a lot more enjoyable like this, whether it's of popular taste or not. Sitting 10 feet away would defeat the purpose of me buying a larger screen due to finding my old 24" Dell too small.

And again, 8xAA does not make a tiny improvement. As stated before, on a large screen the difference is indeed very noticable. It has nothing to do with having a 4870x2 or any kind of psychological flaw. I've been applying as much AA as possible since owning a 8800GTX. Even on the 24" Dell, I could appreciate higher AA levels. On a large screen the benefits are much more obvious.

It is true that some of the 30" screens have higher resolutions than HDTVs but I don't see what your point is. Are you saying that because they have higher resolutions than HDTVs it is OK to sit that close, but not with a 1080P screen because the resolution is too low? Again, this is where AA comes in and is what I have been trying to explain to you.

+1

I will be setting up my Pioneer Kuro LX 5090 over the next couple of days & i can tell you now that i will be sitting as close as i can with as much AA as needed which will be more than i need for the 30" 2560x1600 Samsung.

 

[Overslop]

Well his situation is rather unique (lowish HDTV resolution, huge screen, sitting too close) and he's said himself that 4870x2 is the only card he's found "satisfactory", so why even bring 8x AA into it?

The thread is between 4870 and GTX280 so 8x AA doesn't really come into play unless you feel the need to highlight a specific condition where 4870 is actually competitive.

1920x1080 is not a low resolution imo. It's pretty close to 1920x1200 which I consider a high res. I know there are much higher resolution screens out there, but it's still impressive enough for me. At the end of the day it's all subjective though and one man's high is another's low.

I mentioned earlier in the thread that even the 512MB 4870 often outperforms the GTX 280 at 8xAA levels. I also stated that if you don't require such high AA levels then the GTX 280 is the all-round victor in the single card market. Some people desire at least 8xAA, others don't. I decided to mention this fact because personally I do. The more information the propspective buyers have at their disposal, the better. This was a contribution I made.

 

[Overslop]

The closer you sit the more AA is needed regardless 1080P still puts plenty of strain on modern GPU.s
His situation is rather common & even on 720P screens, people just sit to close when gaming.



Well that's partly what it comes down to then that's what's needed as its an indication of reserved power.

In between my Dell 24" and my Samsung 40", I had a 32" Mirai. That had a res of 1366x768.

I preferred the resolution of the Dell, but the size of the Mirai. For me, I liked them both equally as a PC monitor. Not totally satisfied though, I went for a 1080P TV and to my taste got the best of both worlds. For me it is much better than either of my previous screens.

 

[DeathTyrant]

I agree with Overslop. Sitting close to my 37" 1080p display is indeed very immersive (only coming second to my TripleHead2Go setup). It's a lot less demanding than 2560x1600, which of course translates into either:

1. Money saved on hardware because you don't need Xfire/SLI.
2. OR you can still get the high end stuff and just crank up the AA.

I also agree that AA is very nice to have on a big screen. Sitting close to them makes the jaggies more obvious, and also makes the'screen-door effect' more noticeable too. So, as much AA as possible to cover up the jaggies is nice.

 

[VortexA1]

Slap an aftermarket cooler on it.

I can sadly say that nVidia drivers have been a complete nightmare for me (GTX260-216), particularly in Left4Dead and Crysis Warhead. Really shoddy drivers full stop <covers himself in asbestos>.

No probs. with Crysis Warhead on my 260-216. I recently played through the whole game again with no probs.

What drivers are you using ?

 

[muppetkiller]

I'd wait and see what the new cards in 2 weeks time have in store for us. But they are also saying you might have to wait till the end of jan before we will see them in our shops. Could give u time to offload the card you have.

 

[Alexrose1uk]

.. I didn't think to change the fan speed! It's currently at 40% - and it's pretty cool. It's one of these pre-overclocked cards, and its about 30 degrees idle. Guess I've plenty of room.

Glad my suggestion is working for you, shouldn't be to noisy when fiddled with either

 

[FirebarUK]

No probs. with Crysis Warhead on my 260-216. I recently played through the whole game again with no probs.

What drivers are you using ?

177.41 all the way to the current sets. It's irritating, might remove and redownload through Steam. It's quite random, freezes with a stutter of sound and a grey screen. Left 4 Dead will also crash to the desktop or exhibit the same problem.

 

[mr griffin]

sound cards can really screw steam games up and make them stutter so its worth looking at - even something as simple as a k-lite mega codec pack can. Yet on another machine no problems whatsoever

 

[britboy4321]

For all those people that have cheaper PC's and like the game 'GRID' ..

Try reducing the resolution and increasing the AA. 1024*768 with 2*AA looks a gazillion times better than 1200*900 with no AA.

As someone else said .. on driving games AA is essential.

 

[FirebarUK]

sound cards can really screw steam games up and make them stutter so its worth looking at - even something as simple as a k-lite mega codec pack can. Yet on another machine no problems whatsoever

Tried two different cards (X-Fi and Realtek 888-based). Might try a reinstall at some point