UK Gives Aid to Gaza

[pitaylor]

Some muslim nations are providing aid to the palestinians, theres over 100 trucks from various nations waiting to enter which came from even as far as malaysia.

The stupidity in this thread is absolutely bewildering, "the money could be used to help the economy". How stupid can you be, im sure we are going to enter the great depression now due to this MASSIVE amount of money leaving our economy. Some people have no hearts, there are a lot of innocent people there who need to have access to some much needed aid.

 

[Sankari]

Great, the Palestinians stop fighting and sign a wonderful ceasefire. What happens next? The Israeli's take more of their land, opress more of their people, steal more of their goods, untill what? Untill there is no longer a Palestine.

The Israelis are not stealing the Palestinians' goods. I don't know where you got that idea from. And there is currently no such place as "Palestine".

The only "Palestine" which ever existed, was the state of Israel - which belonged to the Jews. "Palestine" was a Roman name imposed on Israel by the Roman emperor Hadrian. It was not a separate state from Israel, and it was certainly not inhabited by the Palestinians (who are relative newcomers to the area, having emigrated to Israel from the surrounding Arab states).

Lets break it down.

Isreal occupy Palestine.

No. There is no "Palestine".

It goes like this:

Israelis remove their settlers from the Gaza Strip and West Bank
Israelis give the Gaza Strip and West Bank to the Palestinians
Israelis lock Palestinians into the Gaza Strip and West bank by closing the borders and cripping their economy
Israelis proceed to abuse Palestinians in various ways
Palestinians retaliate with terrorist tactics and vote for a terrorist group as their new government
Israel reacts with disproportionate force

Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[dangerstat]

Some muslim nations are providing aid to the palestinians, theres over 100 trucks from various nations waiting to enter which came from even as far as malaysia.

The stupidity in this thread is absolutely bewildering, "the money could be used to help the economy". How stupid can you be, im sure we are going to enter the great depression now due to this MASSIVE amount of money leaving our economy. Some people have no hearts, there are a lot of innocent people there who could have access to some much needed aid.

We'd effectively be funding terrorists though. I mean it's one thing to give money to corrupt African countries, okay so a certain percentage might end up in some fat cats pockets... but it's entirely different to give money to a country where it is likely to be spent support an extremist movement who want to use children to blow people up. To be very honest I'd rather not have my country associated with funding those types of people at all.

 

[pitaylor]

Do you really think they are handing cash straight to hammas... The £7 million is the cost of the fuel, medicine, food etc. They are not funding them, try not to be so ingorant. Not once in any article does it imply they are handing over cash ffs.

 

[dangerstat]

Do you really think they are handing cash straight to hammas... The £7 million is the cost of the fuel, medicine, food etc. They are not funding them, try not to be so ingorant. Not once in any article does it imply they are handing over cash ffs.

I'm not being ignorant , I'm simply saying that some of that money (or whatever) it is will end up in extremist hands, I have no doubt in that. Thus no matter how you try and spin it, we'll have funded people who want to use children in suicide operations to blow up Isreali's. If your happy with that, fine, I however am not.

 

[Gilbretto]

The Israelis are not stealing the Palestinians' goods. I don't know where you got that idea from. And there is currently no such place as "Palestine".

The only "Palestine" which ever existed, was the state of Israel - which belonged to the Jews. "Palestine" was a Roman name imposed on Israel by the Roman emperor Hadrian. It was not a separate state from Israel, and it was certainly not inhabited by the Palestinians (who are relative newcomers to the area, having emigrated to Israel from the surrounding Arab states).

Indeed they are stealing goods. The Israeli's are taking water from Palestinian land and selling it back to them at inflated prices. Its a known fact, research it.

There certainly is a Palestine. The land in question has changed hands many times. But how far back do you want to take it? You could apply your logic to almost every country in the world. Where do you stop?

Why does the land belong to the Jews? Because a book says so? That's great logic if you ask me!

The reason they are there, is because a group of countries foolishly thought that it was a good idea at the time. Mostly driven by guilt.

Did you know that the initial idea was to create a Jewish state in Africa? I fail to remember the location. Research if you like.

Israelis remove their settlers from the Gaza Strip and West Bank

The Israeli's continue to build new settlements in Palestinian land. This is a fact.

Israelis give the Gaza Strip and West Bank to the Palestinians

The land already belonged to the Palestinians.

Israelis lock Palestinians into the Gaza Strip and West bank by closing the borders and cripping their economy
Israelis proceed to abuse Palestinians in various ways
Palestinians retaliate with terrorist tactics and vote for a terrorist group as their new government
Israel reacts with disproportionate force

Spot on.

 

[Gilbretto]

I'm not being ignorant , I'm simply saying that some of that money (or whatever) it is will end up in extremist hands, I have no doubt in that. Thus no matter how you try and spin it, we'll have funded people who want to use children in suicide operations to blow up Isreali's. If your happy with that, fine, I however am not.

In 2004, the Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers reported that "there was no evidence of systematic recruitment of children by Palestinian armed groups,"

Every country has 'nutter' families who do diabolical things. Not all Palestinian people would go to such extreme lengths. And most would condemn. They do not represent the majority, although Israel would like you to beleive otherwise.

There have been 9 reported cases of child bombings. And i condemn them fully. However these do not speak for all Palestinian people.

Just as not all Palestinian people support Hamas. For example, the West Bank is controlled by Fatah, not Hamas. Fatah are not recognised as a terrorist organisation by any forgein govenment.

 

[daz]

No side is without blame, but I think if there is to be retaliation, Israel has to make it proportionate - which this current wave of strikes is not.

They're just creating another generation of suicide bombers with their approach at the moment.

 

[dangerstat]

In 2004, the Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers reported that "there was no evidence of systematic recruitment of children by Palestinian armed groups,"

Every country has 'nutter' families who do diabolical things. Not all Palestinian people would go to such extreme lengths. And most would condemn.

There have been 9 reported cases of child bombings. And i condemn them fully. However these do not speak for all Palestinian people.

Just as not all Palestinian people support Hamas. For example, the West Bank is controlled by Fatah, not Hamas. Fatah are not recognised as a terrorist organisation by any forgein govenment.

Obvoiusly I would not label everyone in Palestine as a terrorist. However it's almost impossible that this aid, in some way, will not go to these types of people. Some of us remember people in Palestine dancing in the streets after 9/11, just the thought that these people could be getting some of our money makes me sick.

If there existed a mechanism to ensure that these types would not get our aid, I'd be the first to be saying give them £70 Million. But whilst a strong possibility exists that these scum could be helped by this move by our government I'm firmly against it.

 

[Gilo]

A percentage of fuel, Medical supplies, food etc will go towards the war effort, some will also be sold to the people that it was intended and money will be spent on arms.

No side is without blame, but I think if there is to be retaliation, Israel has to make it proportionate - which this current wave of strikes is not.

They're just creating another generation of suicide bombers with their approach at the moment.

War is not proportionate its a means to an end.

 

[Gilbretto]

Obvoiusly I would not label everyone in Palestine as a terrorist. However it's almost impossible that this aid, in some way, will not go to these types of people. Some of us remember people in Palestine dancing in the streets after 9/11, just the thought that these people could be getting some of our money makes me sick.

If there existed a mechanism to ensure that these types would not get our aid, I'd be the first to be saying give them £70 Million. But whilst a strong possibility exists that these scum could be helped by this move by our government I'm firmly against it.

Just as it makes me sick when ignorant Brits brag about our exploits in Iraq. Woooo!! we killed loads of innocent Iraqi women and children today! Go Army!

Our people sing and dance about that, as do their people. It's down to lack of education and government/media 'brain washing'. Most people dont have a clue whats really going on, same as in our country. There situation is more extreme than in ours so you end up with more extreme 'misguided' reactions.

And after all, what will Hamas do with food aid? Fire rocket propelled bags of grain into Israel? Followed by scatter bombs full of first aid boxes?

 

[etom]

we give these asian countries enough aid as it is. even invaded a few of them recently, but if it was the other way around i'm sure we would get nothing in return. Ridiclous, this country has its own debt and problems shouldn't have to fork cash after every disaster (regarldess if 7mil is peanuts no doubt wouldn't be to a local council).

 

[etom]

Just as it makes me sick when ignorant Brits brag about our exploits in Iraq. Woooo!! we killed loads of innocent Iraqi women and children today! Go Army!

Our people sing and dance about that, as do their people. It's down to lack of education and government/media 'brain washing'. Most people dont have a clue whats really going on, same as in our country. There situation is more extreme than in ours so you end up with more extreme 'misguided' reactions.

And after all, what will Hamas do with food aid? Fire rocket propelled bags of grain into Israel? Followed by scatter bombs full of first aid boxes?

who are these ignorant Brits bragging about killing children and women? surely you mean terrorists ?

 

[Gilbretto]

... even invaded a few of them recently...

You say it like its a good thing?

 

[dangerstat]

Just as it makes me sick when ignorant Brits brag about our exploits in Iraq. Woooo!! we killed loads of innocent Iraqi women and children today! Go Army!

Our people sing and dance about that, as do their people. It's down to lack of education and government/media 'brain washing'. Most people dont have a clue whats really going on, same as in our country. There situation is more extreme than in ours so you end up with more extreme 'misguided' reactions.

And after all, what will Hamas do with food aid? Fire rocket propelled bags of grain into Israel? Followed by scatter bombs full of first aid boxes?

Food aid is sold, it's happened before and it'll happen again. Our people do not dance in the streets because we're accidentally killed some innocent people at all. Where is this coming from? Show me some references. Of course we know what's going on or are you going to be one of those "the BBC is a propoganda machine" fools.

 

[pitaylor]

Food aid is sold, it's happened before and it'll happen again. Our people do not dance in the streets because we're accidentally killed some innocent people at all. Where is this coming from? Show me some references. Of course we know what's going on or are you going to be one of those "the BBC is a propoganda machine" fools.

Well they arent dancing, but calling all the soldiers heroes for fighting an unnecessary war is what he is trying to imply.

 

[Gilbretto]

who are these ignorant Brits bragging about killing children and women? surely you mean terrorists ?

Oh, i'm sorry. I forgot about those Iraqi women and children that have been terrorising me for years

The Iraqi people are not terrorists. Nor have they ever done anything to harm us.

Our govenment went in to remove **WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION** which subsiquently didn't exsist. Meaning there was no threat at all.

Yet all the Iraqi's are terrorists?

Wow, you are seriously ignorant.

How about we are the ones causing terror? Barging our way in all guns blazing. Killing thousands of innocent people?

But noooooooo, us Brits are perfect of course. When we kill its fine.

 

[Gilbretto]

Food aid is sold, it's happened before and it'll happen again. Our people do not dance in the streets because we're accidentally killed some innocent people at all. Where is this coming from? Show me some references. Of course we know what's going on or are you going to be one of those "the BBC is a propoganda machine" fools.

I have picked it up from every day examples of people in this country and sadly on these forums.

Example here;

who are these ignorant Brits bragging about killing children and women? surely you mean terrorists ?

The BBC are probably the most reliable source of news in the uk.

 

[dangerstat]

Oh, i'm sorry. I forgot about those Iraqi women and children that have been terrorising me for years

The Iraqi people are not terrorists. Nor have they ever done anything to harm us.

Our govenment went in to remove **WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION** which subsiquently didn't exsist. Meaning there was no threat at all.

Yet all the Iraqi's are terrorists?

Wow, you are seriously ignorant.

How about we are the ones causing terror? Barging our way in all guns blazing. Killing thousands of innocent people?

But noooooooo, us Brits are perfect of course. When we kill its fine.

Ha ha ha I love how to have a go at him for saying we think all Iraqi's are terrorists, and then you assume that all our boys in the field are doing is killing innocent Iraqi civies!

 

[etom]

Well they arent dancing, but calling all the soldiers heroes for fighting an unnecessary war is what he is trying to imply.

thats your opinion. imho we had good reasons and still have good reasons to have soldiers in iraq and afghanastan.

soldiers are dying and fighting a war for our goverment which the people elected regardless of your own opinion on the war. so understandably a lot of people even some of those anti-war peace hippies, praise soldiers for doing what is a heroic and noble act.