Panny TH42PX80B vs Toshiba 42XV555DB

I am currently looking for a new TV (currently own an old Hitachi LCD (non-HD). I went into 4-5 shops yesterdays and looked at the difference between 720p and 1080p.

thats because they were both showing the same 720 source material

shops distribution systems wont be sophisticated enough to only display 1080p signals to only 1080p sets. If they showed every set a 1080p signal, you end up with lots of TVs displaying nothing

If you send everybody at 720p signal, everybody displays something, but dont see the advantage of 1080p.
 
thats because they were both showing the same 720 source material

shops distribution systems wont be sophisticated enough to only display 1080p signals to only 1080p sets. If they showed every set a 1080p signal, you end up with lots of TVs displaying nothing

If you send everybody at 720p signal, everybody displays something, but dont see the advantage of 1080p.

They were probably both showing RF component 576i signals, with loads of noise too :p
 
thats because they were both showing the same 720 source material

shops distribution systems wont be sophisticated enough to only display 1080p signals to only 1080p sets. If they showed every set a 1080p signal, you end up with lots of TVs displaying nothing

If you send everybody at 720p signal, everybody displays something, but dont see the advantage of 1080p.

Most modern 720p panels will take a 1080p signal and down-scale it.

Earlier in the year I saw a Panasonic 42PX80 next to a 42PZ80, both showing the same 1080p source - a Panasonic HD demo disc. The difference in quality was perfectly clear, even at around 8-9 feet away.
 
Most modern 720p panels will take a 1080p signal and down-scale it.

Earlier in the year I saw a Panasonic 42PX80 next to a 42PZ80, both showing the same 1080p source - a Panasonic HD demo disc. The difference in quality was perfectly clear, even at around 8-9 feet away.
Funny I did exactly the same thing as I stood in the shop comparing both sets side by side. The price difference was only about £80 between them.

In HD there was hardly any difference that I could see... I found myself keep walking closer to the TV's to try and spot differences (which says it all really?)
 
Funny I did exactly the same thing as I stood in the shop comparing both sets side by side. The price difference was only about £80 between them.

In HD there was hardly any difference that I could see... I found myself keep walking closer to the TV's to try and spot differences (which says it all really?)

I found the same. No difference at my viewing distance of 6-10ft. Both looked identical. Same colour, same blacks, same detail.
 
Do DVDs look the same too? :p

Dont really understand if this is a genuine question or not. But the normal SD picture looked better on the PX80 for obvious reasons.

Some of you obviously don't have the eyesight to appreciate 1080p

You must have super human eyesight to see every bit of 1080p from those distances mentioned. Either the TV showing 720p wasn't setup correctly or the feed to it wasn't the same quality, then you must have some amazing eyesight.
 
I have amazing eyesight with my glasses on, I can see a difference between a px80 and my a656 samsung when playing hd-DVDs, purely in detail and resolution

Comparing stuff in shops should be avoided, I still don't know what source your using. Was it a BD film?
 
Well im just saying its odd that you can see the difference at those distances and the other 99% of the AV community can't.

The source was a BD movie btw.
 
Most modern 720p panels will take a 1080p signal and down-scale it.

Earlier in the year I saw a Panasonic 42PX80 next to a 42PZ80, both showing the same 1080p source - a Panasonic HD demo disc. The difference in quality was perfectly clear, even at around 8-9 feet away.

Depends on the shop

if you want to go to one of the DSG based outlets, or the other one thats got a very similar retail style ;) you'll nearly all find they have every single TV hooked up to the same system, from the £200 non name 40" set to the 22" samsung to the 50" Panasonic.

These types of stores wont be pushing round 1080p, as simon has said, you'll be lucky in these places if the content was HD at all. This is the type of setup i'm referring to. Obviously the sony centre and panasonic shops quite often have specific small setups with 2 tvs or whatever to display the differences, but i wasnt referring to them.
 
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Will this Panasonic TV be any good for watching football as that is what we mainly use the TV for and we don't really want it to be motion blurring badly.
It will be standard definition football and we also have a PS3 for some gaming.

Thanks
 
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Will this Panasonic TV be any good for watching football as that is what we mainly use the TV for and we don't really want it to be motion blurring badly.
It will be standard definition football and we also have a PS3 for some gaming.

Thanks

PX80 will be excellent for SD and football. Plasmas don't suffer from motion blur like LCD's do, so footy will be great on it.
 
You must have super human eyesight to see every bit of 1080p from those distances mentioned. Either the TV showing 720p wasn't setup correctly or the feed to it wasn't the same quality, then you must have some amazing eyesight.
As I said the other day, I took my BD player round to the in-laws last week and watched Wall-E on their 720p Plasma and the difference to my 1080p LCD was as clear as day at a viewing distance of around 8-9 feet.

OK, I accept that animated stuff like Pixar's output is the easiest to tell the difference with due to the hard edges and colour transitions where the increased "pixellation" due to the lower resolution is obvious but I still maintain that I can easily tell the difference with virtually all types of material. Good 1080p sources just look sharper due to the increased detail around edges. Menus, subtitles and other text is a different world in 1080p with no discernable aliasing around the curved edges of characters and graphics, whereas on 720p the "jaggies" become very obvious.

Basically, 1080p shows its worth most on hard "edges" such as sharp colour transitions, graphics and text. It's less beneficial with smooth colour gradients such as you get in natural images but you can still tell the difference, or at least I can :)
 
PX80 will be excellent for SD and football. Plasmas don't suffer from motion blur like LCD's do, so footy will be great on it.

Do I have to be worried about all of this 720p/1080p business as this TV is 720p?
Would it be better to go for a bit better plasma with 1080p? Is it the PZ80?
 
Do I have to be worried about all of this 720p/1080p business as this TV is 720p?
Would it be better to go for a bit better plasma with 1080p? Is it the PZ80?

Depends what you can afford mate and what you will be doing with the telly.

If you plan on watching Pixar blu-rays at a distance of about 3ft from the screen while looking out for the tiniest bit of jagged edge or poorly gradiented colours then get the z series. If you plan to watch a bit of footy, a bit of Eastenders, the odd blu-ray and play a bit of PS3 get the PX80 and spend the other £300 on a jolly good drinking session and a kebab.

Either way, the PX80 is the best telly you can get for the money at this moment in time.
 
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