Those are the exceptions.
Migrants left out in cold as UK economy weakens
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Those are the exceptions.
Source?
The noble british people are out there doing dangerous and difficult jobs like "security" work, whereas the evil poles just want to come here and take our jobs? You have a skewed and wrong perspective on things.
Some Polish workers in Britain are illegally claiming child benefit in both the UK and their home country, a BBC investigation has found.
Officials in a number of Polish regions told Five Live Report up to half the applications they see are fraudulent.
They added checks on claims were under strain because of the numbers involved.
EU rules allow migrant workers to claim benefit for children who are in a different country, but they cannot do so in two countries at once.
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Agreed!
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It wasn't a problem before, so I don't see why it's become a problem now
That's exactly my point.
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The "they do the jobs we don't want to" is just laughable, how can you seriously believe that? I can't quote an exact source but i'm fairly certain i've seen that argument batted around to no avail on these very forums.
They certainly do in the NE of Scotland, unemployment is about 0.7% but there was still a large influx of Poles doing work because those that are left long term unemployed are the feckless social scroungers. As long as their in work I don't have any problem with them, indeed they have a social benefit here.
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Because Polish squash pickers get paid upwards of £25k a year because no British people will take the job. Visit your local squash farm, ask the farmer. (My source was a BBC report on "Benefit society" shown a few months ago on News 24). Also, you just have to go to any job centre and look at the VAST numbers of cleaning jobs available.
So, they do the jobs we don't want...like building and plumbing? How did we ever cope without them? The problem with this economic migrancy is that it's only working pretty much one way. There should be limits set so that we can get people born and raised here into these jobs. Net benfit to our economy is less money claimed off the state, more people with disposable income spending in the shops, boost all round. That might seem simplistic but doesn't mean it isn't right.
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Can we sneakily ship out some of those lazy social benefit scroungers to Poland too?
Actually, wait....can we just keep the hard working Poles and ship out the benefit scroungers? That would be win-win tbh.
Actually, wait....can we just keep the hard working Poles and ship out the benefit scroungers? That would be win-win tbh.
I didn't say that? Although it is true, there was a whole program on BBC dedicated to it, as mentioned by Hatter (which I also saw). I said that we don't do the jobs on average as well as they do. That's not opinion, that's fact. There are plenty of stats flying around about workforce productivity in the labour market comparative to earlier years. A trip to Google might suffice.
The jobs will likely be filled at one point or another, although I wouldn't expect it to be the kind of speed at which they were taken a year ago. The sad truth is that a British citizen can quite effortlessly gain 15k a year through benefits, so why earn 11k at subway and have to work for it? Unemployment has far too many benefits, no pun intended.
As for those who are employed, take builders for example... It's pretty common knowledge that if you want an excellent individual job done you don't employ British labour. It's par to say the least, where as the foreigners really earn their money and do a great job (talking averages here), and do it a lot cheaper.
The absence of the immigrants means that we're not going to be filling jobs as fast, we're going to lose out on productivity, and it's going to waste money for corporations. Be that on recruitment, productivity, employment (maternity rights, anyone?), and general service. And that affects our economy.
A lot of people slate the Polish for reasons they don't understand, but they were actually a great benefit to our nation - and they expect very little.
wierd then that some finnancial experts dispute claims by our own goverment about them even beeing a benefit at all.
especially when they are using already over stretched services,for some school its rare for a child to speak english as there first language but many have polish as there first language.
as its not your child going to that school and getting a crap education because he/she is now a minority you dont care.
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You can't spell. Are the finnancial experts who dispute claims by the goverment writers for The Sun?
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These 'financial' experts you speak of, where can I find their workings?
Because it's utter tripe. British kids getting a poor education because they're a minority? How does that reflect on the level of education at all? If you live in that area, welcome to the real world. It's made up of people from different walks of life, people that live in different cultures and have different beliefs. If anything it would benefit children to mix with people who actually have values (beyond signing on) in their life.
The immigrants of present have condensed and minor statutory government rights and services. The problem in the UK is not the people coming here, it's the people that are here already, and the people that have warped perceptions on what their country owes them.
If a school is teaching Polish as the primary language, then the school is Polish. Did it ever cross your mind that the parents are idiots for sending their British kid to a Polish school to then moan that they’re not being taught British as a primary language? We have a Polish population, deal with it.
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It really is as simple as that in your head isnt it?
You pick fruit/ veg, you get paid 25k a year.
The reason people DONT want to those types of jobs is that to earn that money its a 14 odd hour day in all weathers, in the middle of a field, doing one task all day, and your rest facilities are, if you are lucky, a mobile toilet, and if you are unlucky, a bucket in the back of the van.
As for the cleaning jobs, yes, they pay 7 odd pound an hour, for the 16 odd hours a week they want people.
It isnt as black and white as "british people are lazy, polish are hard working".