Scores die in Israeli air strikes

Freefaller said:
speaking from experience having spent time in Palestine and that part of the world.
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i remember watching some programme on t.v where the isreali soldiers shot a british journalist for nothing...he/she was just walking a little away from the house he/she was staying in.

isnt it a bit risky over there
 
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Freefaller said:
This is the problem though - 95% of the Global Population think what Israel do is right!
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Do you have a source for that figure? It sounds awfully high, given the near-universal condemnation of Israel's recent actions.

I mean MOSSAD? With a tag of "By way of deception thou shalt do war"
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Not true.

Mossad's original motto was "For with guidance you wage your war" (a quote from Proverbs 24:5-6, which reads: "A wise warrior is strong, and a man of knowledge makes his strength stronger; for with guidance you wage your war, and with numerous advisers there is victory").

This was later replaced with: "When there is no guidance a nation falls, but there is success in the abundance of counselors" (a quote from Proverbs 11:14).
 
Booner! said:
Once the media get their hands on a story though, they will dig the knife deeper and twist it until they find something else to get their teeth into. Millenium bug, global warming, credit crunch, recession...... all media spun. I see the same thing happening here, more bad news to spin to twist how it's actually happening.
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Perhaps there is some spin on these things but you can't deny they do not exist. I am pretty sure there is a recession atleast.
 

The Lebanese Government has criticised a rocket attack from south Lebanon into Israel, saying it was a violation of a UN Security Council resolution that halted a 2006 war between Hezbollah and the Jewish state.

Prime Minister Fouad Siniora's statement was issued after at least three rockets fired from Lebanon exploded in northern Israel, wounding two people, in an attack seen as linked to Israel's offensive in the Gaza Strip.

It was not clear who fired the rockets. Hamas denied it was responsible for firing the rockets.

"Prime Minister Siniora regards what happened in the south as a violation of the international resolution 1701 and something he does not accept and rejects," a statement issued by Mr Siniora's office said.
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Source.
 
The only sane man on the "Arab side" as I see it, is Siniora, should be given more power. rest are just -asterik-asterisk-asterisk-asterisk-asterisk-.
 
mmj_uk said:
So Lebanon fire rockets into Israel and Israel dismisses it, shouldn't they be blowing the place to bits and invading to "protect their citizens"? why the double standards?
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Its true, Israel dropped flowers and little kisses all over Lebanon in 2006.
 
The Invasion of Gaza:
"Operation Cast Lead", Part of a Broader Israeli Military-Intelligence Agenda

by Michel Chossudovsky

Global Research, January 4, 2009

The aerial bombings and the ongoing ground invasion of Gaza by Israeli ground forces must be analysed in a historical context. Operation "Cast Lead" is a carefully planned undertaking, which is part of a broader military-intelligence agenda first formulated by the government of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in 2001:

"Sources in the defense establishment said Defense Minister Ehud Barak instructed the Israel Defense Forces to prepare for the operation over six months ago, even as Israel was beginning to negotiate a ceasefire agreement with Hamas."(Barak Ravid, Operation "Cast Lead": Israeli Air Force strike followed months of planning, Haaretz, December 27, 2008)

It was Israel which broke the truce on the day of the US presidential elections, November 4:

"Israel used this distraction to break the ceasefire between itself and Hamas by bombing the Gaza strip. Israel claimed this violation of the ceasefire was to prevent Hamas from digging tunnels into Israeli territory.

The very next day, Israel launched a terrorizing siege of Gaza, cutting off food, fuel, medical supplies and other necessities in an attempt to “subdue” the Palestinians while at the same time engaging in armed incursions.

In response, Hamas and others in Gaza again resorted to firing crude, homemade, and mainly inaccurate rockets into Israel. During the past seven years, these rockets have been responsible for the deaths of 17 Israelis. Over the same time span, Israeli Blitzkrieg assaults have killed thousands of Palestinians, drawing worldwide protest but falling on deaf ears at the UN." (Shamus Cooke, The Massacre in Palestine and the Threat of a Wider War, Global Research, December 2008)

Planned Humanitarian Disaster

On December 8, US Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte was in Tel Aviv for discussions with his Israeli counterparts including the director of Mossad, Meir Dagan.

"Operation Cast Lead" was initiated two days day after Christmas. It was coupled with a carefully designed international Public Relations campaign under the auspices of Israel's Foreign Ministry.

Hamas' military targets are not the main objective. Operation "Cast Lead" is intended, quite deliberately, to trigger civilian casualities.

What we are dealing with is a "planned humanitarian disaster" in Gaza in a densly populated urban area. (See map below)


The longer term objective of this plan, as formulated by Israeli policy makers, is the expulsion of Palestinians from Palestinian lands:

"Terrorize the civilian population, assuring maximal destruction of property and cultural resources... The daily life of the Palestinians must be rendered unbearable: They should be locked up in cities and towns, prevented from exercising normal economic life, cut off from workplaces, schools and hospitals, This will encourage emigration and weaken the resistance to future expulsions" Ur Shlonsky, quoted by Ghali Hassan, Gaza: The World’s Largest Prison, Global Research, 2005)

"Operation Justified Vengeance"

A turning point has been reached. Operation "Cast Lead" is part of the broader military-intelligence operation initiated at the outset of the Ariel Sharon government in 2001. It was under Sharon's "Operation Justified Vengeance" that F-16 fighter planes were initially used to bomb Palestinian cities.

"Operation Justified Vengeance" was presented in July 2001 to the Israeli government of Ariel Sharon by IDF chief of staff Shaul Mofaz, under the title "The Destruction of the Palestinian Authority and Disarmament of All Armed Forces".

"A contingency plan, codenamed Operation Justified Vengeance, was drawn up last June [2001] to reoccupy all of the West Bank and possibly the Gaza Strip at a likely cost of "hundreds" of Israeli casualties." (Washington Times, 19 March 2002).

According to Jane's 'Foreign Report' (July 12, 2001) the Israeli army under Sharon had updated its plans for an "all-out assault to smash the Palestinian authority, force out leader Yasser Arafat and kill or detain its army".

"Bloodshed Justification"

The "Bloodshed Justification" was an essential component of the military-intelligence agenda. The killing of Palestinian civilians was justified on "humanitarian grounds." Israeli military operations were carefully timed to coincide with the suicide attacks:

The assault would be launched, at the government's discretion, after a big suicide bomb attack in Israel, causing widespread deaths and injuries, citing the bloodshed as justification. (Tanya Reinhart, Evil Unleashed, Israel's move to destroy the Palestinian Authority is a calculated plan, long in the making, Global Research, December 2001, emphasis added)

The Dagan Plan

"Operation Justified Vengeance" was also referred to as the "Dagan Plan", named after General (ret.) Meir Dagan, who currently heads Mossad, Israel's intelligence agency.

Reserve General Meir Dagan was Sharon's national security adviser during the 2000 election campaign. The plan was apparently drawn up prior to Sharon’s election as Prime Minister in February 2001. "According to Alex Fishman writing in Yediot Aharonot, the Dagan Plan consisted in destroying the Palestinian authority and putting Yasser Arafat 'out of the game'." (Ellis Shulman, "Operation Justified Vengeance": a Secret Plan to Destroy the Palestinian Authority, March 2001):

"As reported in the Foreign Report [Jane] and disclosed locally by Maariv, Israel's invasion plan — reportedly dubbed Justified Vengeance — would be launched immediately following the next high-casualty suicide bombing, would last about a month and is expected to result in the death of hundreds of Israelis and thousands of Palestinians. (Ibid, emphasis added)

The "Dagan Plan" envisaged the so-called "cantonization" of the Palestinian territories whereby the West Bank and Gaza would be totally cut off from one other, with separate "governments" in each of the territories. Under this scenario, already envisaged in 2001, Israel would:

"negotiate separately with Palestinian forces that are dominant in each territory-Palestinian forces responsible for security, intelligence, and even for the Tanzim (Fatah)." The plan thus closely resembles the idea of "cantonization" of Palestinian territories, put forth by a number of ministers." Sylvain Cypel, The infamous 'Dagan Plan' Sharon's plan for getting rid of Arafat, Le Monde, December 17, 2001)


From Left to Right: Dagan, Sharon, Halevy

The Dagan Plan has established continuity in the military-intelligence agenda. In the wake of the 2000 elections, Meir Dagan was assigned a key role. "He became Sharon’s "go-between" in security issues with President’s Bush’s special envoys Zinni and Mitchell." He was subsequently appointed Director of the Mossad by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in August 2002. In the post-Sharon period, he remained head of Mossad. He was reconfirmed in his position as Director of Israeli Intelligence by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert in June 2008.

Meir Dagan, in coordination with his US counterparts, has been in charge of various military-intelligence operations. It is worth noting that Meir Dagan as a young Colonel had worked closely with defense minister Ariel Sharon in the raids on Palestinian settlements in Beirut in 1982. The 2009 ground invasion of Gaza, in many regards, bear a canny resemblance to the 1982 military operation led by Sharon and Dagan.

Continuity: From Sharon to Olmert


Olmert and Sharon

It is important to focus on a number of key events which have led up to the killings in Gaza under "Operation Cast Lead":

1. The assassination in November 2004 of Yaser Arafat. This assassination had been on the drawing board since 1996 under "Operation Fields of Thorns". According to an October 2000 document "prepared by the security services, at the request of then Prime Minister Ehud Barak, stated that 'Arafat, the person, is a severe threat to the security of the state [of Israel] and the damage which will result from his disappearance is less than the damage caused by his existence'". (Tanya Reinhart, Evil Unleashed, Israel's move to destroy the Palestinian Authority is a calculated plan, long in the making, Global Research, December 2001. Details of the document were published in Ma'ariv, July 6, 2001.).

Arafat's assassination was ordered in 2003 by the Israeli cabinet. It was approved by the US which vetoed a United Nations Security Resolution condemning the 2003 Israeli Cabinet decision. Reacting to increased Palestinian attacks, in August 2003, Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz declared "all out war" on the militants whom he vowed "marked for death."

"In mid September, Israel's government passed a law to get rid of Arafat. Israel's cabinet for political security affairs declared it "a decision to remove Arafat as an obstacle to peace." Mofaz threatened; "we will choose the right way and the right time to kill Arafat." Palestinian Minister Saeb Erekat told CNN he thought Arafat was the next target. CNN asked Sharon spokesman Ra'anan Gissan if the vote meant expulsion of Arafat. Gissan clarified; "It doesn't mean that. The Cabinet has today resolved to remove this obstacle. The time, the method, the ways by which this will take place will be decided separately, and the security services will monitor the situation and make the recommendation about proper action." (See Trish Shuh, Road Map for a Decease Plan, www.mehrnews.com November 9 2005



The assassination of Arafat was part of the 2001 Dagan Plan. In all likelihood, it was carried out by Israeli Intelligence. It was intended to destroy the Palestinian Authority, foment divisions within Fatah as well as between Fatah and Hamas. Mahmoud Abbas is a Palestinian quisling. He was installed as leader of Fatah, with the approval of Israel and the US, which finance the Palestinian Authority's paramilitary and security forces.



2. The removal, under the orders of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in 2005, of all Jewish settlements in Gaza. A Jewish population of over 7,000 was relocated.

"It is my intention [Sharon] to carry out an evacuation – sorry, a relocation – of settlements that cause us problems and of places that we will not hold onto anyway in a final settlement, like the Gaza settlements.... I am working on the assumption that in the future there will be no Jews in Gaza," Sharon said." (CBC, March 2004)

The issue of the settlements in Gaza was presented as part of Washington's "road map to peace". Celebrated by the Palestinians as a "victory", this measure was not directed against the Jewish settlers. Quite the opposite: It was part of the overall covert operation, which consisted in transforming Gaza into a concentration camp. As long as Jewish settlers were living inside Gaza, the objective of sustaining a large barricaded prison territory could not be achieved. The Implementation of "Operation Cast Lead" required "no Jews in Gaza".

3. The building of the infamous Apartheid Wall was decided upon at the beginning of the Sharon government. (See Map below).



4. The next phase was the Hamas election victory in January 2006. Without Arafat, the Israeli military-intelligence architects knew that Fatah under Mahmoud Abbas would loose the elections. This was part of the scenario, which had been envisaged and analyzed well in advance.

With Hamas in charge of the Palestinian authority, using the pretext that Hamas is a terrorist organization, Israel would carry out the process of "cantonization" as formulated under the Dagan plan. Fatah under Mahmoud Abbas would remain formally in charge of the West Bank. The duly elected Hamas government would be confined to the Gaza strip.

Ground Attack

On January 3, Israeli tanks and infantry entered Gaza in an all out ground offensive:

"The ground operation was preceded by several hours of heavy artillery fire after dark, igniting targets in flames that burst into the night sky. Machine gun fire rattled as bright tracer rounds flashed through the darkness and the crash of hundreds of shells sent up streaks of fire. (AP, January 3, 2009)

Israeli sources have pointed to a lengthy drawn out military operation. It "won't be easy and it won't be short," said Defense Minister Ehud Barak in a TV address.

Israel is not seeking to oblige Hamas "to cooperate". What we are dealing with is the implementation of the "Dagan Plan" as initially formulated in 2001, which called for:

"an invasion of Palestinian-controlled territory by some 30,000 Israeli soldiers, with the clearly defined mission of destroying the infrastructure of the Palestinian leadership and collecting weaponry currently possessed by the various Palestinian forces, and expelling or killing its military leadership. (Ellis Shulman, op cit, emphasis added)

The broader question is whether Israel in consultation with Washington is intent upon triggering a wider war.

Mass expulsion could occur at some later stage of the ground invasion, were the Israelis to open up Gaza's borders to allow for an exodus of population. Expulsion was referred to by Ariel Sharon as the "a 1948 style solution". For Sharon "it is only necessary to find another state for the Palestinians. -'Jordan is Palestine' - was the phrase that Sharon coined." (Tanya Reinhart, op cit)
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11606
 
Stolly said:
Do you really believe this stuff, or are you just trolling ?
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i think you should just take in the fact that most people dont give a &$)* about this whole situation.

taking about it or protesting isnt going to make a diff (not aimed at you)


i dont know, im pretty annoyed at the muslims, they are like not doing much in relatialion. hopefully it will pickup
 
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platinum87 said:
i think you should just take in the fact that most people dont give a &$)* about this whole situation.

taking about it or protesting isnt going to make a diff (not aimed at you)
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your sig is appropriate, as it seems that you dont have a soul.

try and read that article i just posted above your post, it might educate you from an impartial viewpoint as to what is happening in Isreal/Palestine.


"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;

And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;

And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;

And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up." - Martin Niemoller 1892 - 1984
 
Freefaller said:
I guess we could blame the Americans and wanting a foot hold in the Middle East and this is why Turkey is in the EU or EC or whatever. America has no real history of it's own to fall back on so it tries to make it's own. I mean these guys supported IRA FFS when they're meant to be OUR allies? And they turned up late for WW2 and then declared that they won it even though everyone knows it was won in the skies by the RAF.

The only war the participate in by themselves was Vietnam and look at that **** up! And now we it's happening again in the Middle East.

I am also not surprised the yanks are against the cease fire calls - Israel is paying the american treasury lots of lovely shekels for all the weapons they are buying...

Oh and just for some info as to the land stakes:

http://blixx.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/landloss.jpg

Yet it's the Israeli's that are oppressed? Oh please. They nee to get over that chip on their shoulder. I'd love for them both to live side by side, but unfortunately that seems like an impossibility :( It just sickens me that some of the best people in the middle east are being hunted like animals.
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You sir, are clearly an anti-american prat.

Stop boring everyone by sounding like a middle class teenager who has che guevara posters on his walls.
 
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Keltik THC said:
your sig is appropriate, as it seems that you dont have a soul.

try and read that article i just posted above your post, it might educate you from an impartial viewpoint as to what is happening in Isreal/Palestine.


"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;

And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;

And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;

And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up." - Martin Niemoller 1892 - 1984
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The article you posted is conspiracy theory, propaganda and misleading to put it nicely.

Impartial my rear end, Arafat assasinated ? Aparthied wall ?
 
Stolly said:
The article you posted is conspiracy theory, propaganda and misleading to put it nicely.

Impartial my rear end, Arafat assasinated ? Aparthied wall ?
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did you even read it? if you would care to re-read it, it details the isreali plan using references from Isreali Defense sources and Isreali media.... or unless the mainstream Isreali press and the Isreali's like to publish 'conspiracy theories'.... never thought of that one... no your right, Isreal are not capable of conspiring....

Definiton said:
To Conspire: Agreement or concurrence for some end or purpose
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yeah you must be right, no one is capable of this.....

i hope you can tell im being sarcastic..wake up my freind, go and do some research.

or better yet just read the article, the sources reference cleary show that Isreals plan for the wall was basically to pursue the reality of a siege, hence their own documents say that this is not possible with Jews still in Gaza, hence, as their documents say, they agreed to withdraw settlements from Gaza.

It also references Isreali documents that show they had made numerous government decisions to assasinate Arafat, i know the BBC didnt tell you about this but if you would go and do some research you will find this to be true.

again, im sorry to have to tell you the truth... i guess Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was right when he said:

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn said:
"When truth is discovered by someone else, it loses something of its attractiveness.”
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Keltik THC said:
did you even read it? if you would care to re-read it, it details the isreali plan using references from Isreali Defense sources and Isreali media.... or unless the mainstream Isreali press and the Isreali's like to publish 'conspiracy theories'....

wake up my freind, go and do some research.
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Have a read of it again but this time remove your preconceptions about it being true. Selective quoting, emotive language and a whole heap of speculation with just enough truth to make the whole thing believable. But then what else do you expect from an anti-globalisation and new world order site?
 
RDM said:
Have a read of it again but this time remove your preconceptions about it being true. Selective quoting, emotive language and a whole heap of speculation with just enough truth to make the whole thing believable. But then what else do you expect from an anti-globalisation and new world order site?
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Speculation presented as fact is the stock in trade of that sort of site.
 
RDM said:
Have a read of it again but this time remove your preconceptions about it being true. Selective quoting, emotive language and a whole heap of speculation with just enough truth to make the whole thing believable. But then what else do you expect from an anti-globalisation and new world order site?
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have you even checked out the references????

my god people, get past the pre-concieved propagandised views and the pigeon holing of people as a reason to dismiss anything that doesnt conform to whatever it is you have invested your life and beliefs into . Stop just dissmissing information without even verifying it, go and take some time out and look at the Isreali Ministry of Defense declassified documents coupled with the articles referenced above from sources such as Haaretz... but i guess thats to much work for some people, they would rather the BBC did their thinking for them.

I guess some people are like children though, unwilling to even venture past the reality they have created for themselves.

edit: speculation presented as fact???!?!?!? HES REFERENCING ISREALI GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS, oh my god, even when the documents are available and released and some people still refuse to believe it. Im afraid you dont become a prominent and well respected Professor by speculating. Dear god, for the fourth and final time can you not verify a source?!
 
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