because they don't want to encourage large amounts of the people taking to the streets.
Protest march against Israeli terrorism
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because they don't want to encourage large amounts of the people taking to the streets.
I can shenanigans. There is no way in the world that they had this many people - and if they had, there's no way in the world that the Met and media would have been able to "play it down" to 12,000. You must be incredibly naive if you believe this claim, and even more so if you expect us to believe it.
I would like some objective substantiation, please. You can start with:
(a) Photographic evidence; I'm sure that with numbers on that scale, someone would have been taking video/photos
(b) Quotes from the organisers claiming the numbers you've referred to here
(c) Independent verification to support the organisers' claim of 200,000; the local newspapers would have gone wild over an event on this scale, so it should be splashed all over them by now; let's have some headlines, please?
(d) Proof that "the Met and the media" have "played down" the numbers (erm, how the HELL can you "play down" more than 100,000 to a mere 12,000? It ain't gonna happen, son)
Over to you.
well said!
On a related note: why would the media "play down" the numbers at a protest march? The media loves big numbers! Most media stations also announce both the figures given by organisers and the figures given by police so that people can draw their own conclusions.
The protest march against the Iraq war in 2003 is a case in point. Organisers gave a figure of 2 million (though they admitted this was merely an estimate extrapolated from the projected number of households participating; they had no concrete data for it); police gave a figure of "above 750,000", while the BBC, Guardian, Independent and Telegraph all said that around 1 million people had attended.
I don't see too much "playing down" from the media here.
The protest march against the Iraq war in 2003 is a case in point. Organisers gave a figure of 2 million (though they admitted this was merely an estimate extrapolated from the projected number of households participating; they had no concrete data for it); police gave a figure of "above 750,000", while the BBC, Guardian, Independent and Telegraph all said that around 1 million people had attended.
I don't see too much "playing down" from the media here.
Well said. We should just let them get on with it until they have all killed each other, then build some really cool stuff on the land.
Cool, loads of cinemas, KFC's and theme parks !!!
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What are these shenanigans that you put in cans?
For what are they used?
Do they taste simply delicious?
Can they be purchased at Fortnum & Masons or only at Primark?
It sounds like the sort of job that can be done by an educationally challenged chav and would only command minimum wage
As to the discrepancy between the attendance figures quoted by spokesmen speaking on behalf of the Police and the organisers, they doubtless both have their own motives for underestimating and exaggerating the numbers respectively. The numbers really don't matter - the media coverage and the likelihood of still more people attending the next demonstration are all that count.
Certainly, one way of gauging the size of the attendance is to see how crowded Trafalgar Square is and for how long marchers continue to stream into the Square.
I don't doubt that there were more pig-ignorant, cabbage-eared British farmers and green-welly, Chelsea tractor driving retards, every one of them a regular church attending, God-fearing Christian protesting for the right to terrorise foxes than there were people protesting that the Zionists shouldn't be terrorising and murdering Palestinian civilians.
So it goes
I don't doubt that there were more pig-ignorant, cabbage-eared British farmers and green-welly, Chelsea tractor driving retards, every one of them a regular church attending, God-fearing Christian protesting for the right to terrorise foxes than there were people protesting that the Zionists shouldn't be terrorising and murdering Palestinian civilians.
So it goes
I like how you call others pig-ignorant, then hail the people marching with signs and chants such as
"nuke isreal " "back to the ovens" "gas the jews"
Some quality well educated and reasonable people there
I was at the march and I have also been to matches at the Emirates and there were far more people at the march.
I find it quite pathetic how people put down protests and protestors when it is not something they agree with, yet are all to eager to talk about how their grandfathers died for the freedom of this country.
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I suspect that the latter were a tiny minority and were not respected by the majority of demonstrators. I certainly have NEVER hailed these people or their placards.
Perhaps you know differently and will be able to enlighten us by pointing to some .JPGs from independent newspapers?
Nope? I thought not
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/dominic_lawson/article5489436.ece
Interesting column from Dominic Lawson on why Israel is refusing to put up with Hamas' terrorism. Think this quote is rather good and sums up my feelings on the protest march:
I was out of the country on Christmas Eve - was Hamas legalising crucifixion reported on the BBC?
Interesting column from Dominic Lawson on why Israel is refusing to put up with Hamas' terrorism. Think this quote is rather good and sums up my feelings on the protest march:
I was out of the country on Christmas Eve - was Hamas legalising crucifixion reported on the BBC?
I suspect that the latter were a tiny minority and were not respected by the majority of demonstrators. I certainly have NEVER hailed these people or their placards.
Perhaps you know differently and will be able to enlighten us by pointing to some .JPGs from independent newspapers?
Nope? I thought not
I wonder who is a hypocrite? No cant see anyone here....
How about you go get some .JPGs from independent newspapers to prove what you said?
Nope? I thought not
Agreed.
I don't doubt that there were more pig-ignorant, cabbage-eared British farmers and green-welly, Chelsea tractor driving retards, every one of them a regular church attending, God-fearing Christian protesting for the right to terrorise foxes than there were people protesting that the Zionists shouldn't be terrorising and murdering Palestinian civilians.
So it goes
What's this about "Zionists"? To whom are you referring? Are you using "Zionist" as synonymous with "Jew" or "Israeli"?
I guess as you didn't call out stockhausen on it you think it is OK to put down protests and protestors you don't agree with as long as you aren't eager to talk about how your grandfather died for the freedom of this country?
Zionists are a political wing of judaism that have global political ambtions. Not all Jews are zionists in the same not all germans are Nazis.
Rational responses only, please.
A rally has arrived at Trafalgar Square to call for peace in Israel and Gaza, as well as recognition of Israel's view of the conflict there.
Organisers told the BBC they want both Gaza and Israel to be free, but that they believe people are downplaying the rocket hits against Israel.
Police said they estimated 4,000 people are at the event in central London. It comes after prominent British Jews wrote an open letter calling on Israel to halt operations in Gaza.
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A small group of pro-Palestinian protesters - estimated by police to number between 80 and 100 - were being kept separate from the main body of the rally by mounted police.
Another pro-Israel peace rally is also being held in Manchester.
Meanwhile the letter, published in the Observer, warns the military action, far from improving security, will strengthen extremism and destabilise the region.
Prominent rabbis, academics and political figures supported the open letter, including Rabbi Dr Tony Bayfield, head of the Movement for Reform Judaism; Sir Jeremy Beecham, former chairman of the Labour party; Professor Shalom Lappin of the University of London and Baroness Julia Neuberger.
Beeb.
That's possibly the most accurate and level headed response I've seen to the conflict so far. Good on them
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7822656.stm
Finally, a mature and sensible opinion on the subject. See how much more effective a protest is when you don't resort to sort of violence and bigotry we saw yesterday.
Finally, a mature and sensible opinion on the subject. See how much more effective a protest is when you don't resort to sort of violence and bigotry we saw yesterday.