As matt100 said, not a chance in hell unless you're sitting in a walk-in fridge.
Is my water cooling setup pants?
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As matt100 said, not a chance in hell unless you're sitting in a walk-in fridge.
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Actually mine is same whilst using OC, room is cool with window open but certainly not cold or uncomfortable, the 1200 has great airflow.
sorry but its got nothing to do with airflow, you need to know this because there are plenty of temp monitoring progs that report incorrect temps, even well recognised ones can misreport if its a cpu they don't support.
Your cpu CANNOT run below ambient, in fact it can't get within probably 5-10c of it even with awesome cooling so.. unless you're sat at 10c which is pretty uncomfortable without being dressed like you're going outside then something is a bit wrong!
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You clearly have no comprehension of physics or the evaporation process, think about it, if a fan blows on you you feel colder no? Theres no actual cooling within the fan going in its just the motion of air, same principal here
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Not sure how much that applies to the thread starter's water question.
I wouldnt mind knowing what the peak temperature is.
My Reserator, cooling an AMD X2 4600 (90nm) and 4850 (stock) hits an absolute peak of 60 gaming (odd 61 showing in logs rarely). If its a prolonged gaming session and I exit to the desktop it will then idle around 55. It takes hours for it to go back down to the high 20's. If I start windows from cold it will be idling in the very high teens and take some time to reach the mid 20's.
I'm a little worried for the longevity of the pump with those peak temperatures.
I wouldnt mind knowing what the peak temperature is.
My Reserator, cooling an AMD X2 4600 (90nm) and 4850 (stock) hits an absolute peak of 60 gaming (odd 61 showing in logs rarely). If its a prolonged gaming session and I exit to the desktop it will then idle around 55. It takes hours for it to go back down to the high 20's. If I start windows from cold it will be idling in the very high teens and take some time to reach the mid 20's.
I'm a little worried for the longevity of the pump with those peak temperatures.
well for starters, unless you're pouring water over your heatsink nothing is actually evaporating.. there is a phase change happening inside the heatsink of a gas turning to a liquid and vice versa but no evaporation.
And trust me, I know exactly what i'm talking about thanks very much so there's no need for the atitude, I'm trying to do you a favour. You're talking about wind chill which is NOT cooling.
Read here..
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=22774
and maybe these too
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anyway, for the OP.. if it is just the cpu in the loop those aren't great temps but idle barely matters.. if you're idling at 40 and loading at 50 then you have a great setup, if you're idling at 40 and loading at 70 then perhaps not.
One way to tell if your block isn't sat right/incorrectly used paste is if your idle and load are miles apafart, water is particularly good at keep the load temp down.
Idle is affected by a lot of factors so I wouldn't get hung up on it.
One way to tell if your block isn't sat right/incorrectly used paste is if your idle and load are miles apafart, water is particularly good at keep the load temp down.
Idle is affected by a lot of factors so I wouldn't get hung up on it.
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You do know the 'safe' temp range for an AMD X2 is 55c?? If you idle at 55c and it takes hours to cool down then you have a really big problem
you're going to have a short stay round here with posts like that.. but great contribution you must feel very proud.
And I said 5-10c and I was talking to someone using air cooling not water which can get a lot closer to ambient but still not ambient, there is a heat source which means its nigh on impossible to get to within a couple of degrees of ambient at best.
I run 2 PA120.3s myself and I know that with the fans on it can get to just above ambient at idle.
Anyway, this is all way off topic.
I would guess a reserators pump was built for that? Its gonna take ages because you're only working off convection.. if you strapped a fan to it somewhere you'd shed the heat a lot quicker.. they do a fan that sits on the top I think, you could use it whilst/after gaming?
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So your room has 0% humidity then does it? I doubt it, which means theres is moisture in the air which settles on the CPU/Heatsink which then evaporates (the process of a liquid becoming a gas) Wind chill is caused by the evaporation of surface moisture, anyway cooling is the lowering of a temperature and the last I check wind chill lowers a temperature, well until you get to about 65mph winds at which point the friction caused by the wind outweighs the actual evaporation process resulting in less overall recution in temperature.
It is wildly off topic and I apologise to the OP for that but youre the one that started with the attitude mate
This is all getting a bit - stressed? I've just got a kicking in the Sound Forum for suggesting I like 5.1 headsets for gaming and I thought I'd come back here for a bit of peace. But no. It's all rucks and nastiness.
Anyway - back to the being helpful thing I quite like doing....
@The OP - the Swiftech kits all work fairly well, and it may be you need to bleed the loop which will involve a variety of things including switching the pump on and off repeatedly, Turning the system upside down and running it, anything to move the air out the tubes and radiator and into the headspace in the reservoir.
Things that quite often indicate a badly bled system include bubbles in the pipes, noisy pumps, gurgling sounds (especially at startup) and poor performance.
Anyway - back to the being helpful thing I quite like doing....
@The OP - the Swiftech kits all work fairly well, and it may be you need to bleed the loop which will involve a variety of things including switching the pump on and off repeatedly, Turning the system upside down and running it, anything to move the air out the tubes and radiator and into the headspace in the reservoir.
Things that quite often indicate a badly bled system include bubbles in the pipes, noisy pumps, gurgling sounds (especially at startup) and poor performance.
The core temperatures are not the same as the water temperature thankfully. The Zalmans can take a decent heat-load for a long time. The Eheim pump they use is very, very robust, especially in the Reserator 1 V1+ and 1 V2.
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No it doesn't! If this was true then every hard surface in your home would constantly be damp. The only way you'd get any sort of condensation forming on a heatsink would be if the heatsink was below the rooms ambient temperature. Google 'dew point' and you'll see the reason why.
(Update: beh* you're quite right, I shouldn't have perpetuated the off topic diversion. Sorry).
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OP: Did you try and bleed the loop? Also, as matt suggested you may want to try a reseat.
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Your rad could have air trapped in it, you can try tilting the rad so the barbs are raised higher than the top of the rad got rid of air for me. Too much thermal paste/reseat the block. Plus everything else everyone has suggested.
Also have you went back to stock settings and checked idle / load temps incase it's down to voltages you are using on your processor heating it up far too much?
Also have you went back to stock settings and checked idle / load temps incase it's down to voltages you are using on your processor heating it up far too much?
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As several people have already said your concerns could be rendered moot if you told us what your load temps are as they are way more important than your idle temps.
If you see a small increase in temps: say 10c under load then all is good.
If your cpu jumps to 70/80 then you have an issue.
Load temps please?
Edit/ Just for comparison my loop idles at approx 32c & at load its 50c to 60c with a heavily overclocked GTX280 and an E8600 overclocked to 4.4GHz on 1.35v.
If you see a small increase in temps: say 10c under load then all is good.
If your cpu jumps to 70/80 then you have an issue.
Load temps please?
Edit/ Just for comparison my loop idles at approx 32c & at load its 50c to 60c with a heavily overclocked GTX280 and an E8600 overclocked to 4.4GHz on 1.35v.
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I assumed I might be pushing it a bit @55c. Not too bothered about the CPU at 60c. New core2 purchase coming in two weeks
I posted it, as I thought maybe the original poster was busy studying his temps the second he was exiting games. Which is what I did until I downloaded a program called 'core temp' and turned its logging feature on to check what the max was. I understand that a normal active water cooling setup will behave differently than the slow cooling reservoir the Res uses.
My kit is the Swiftech H2O-220 Apex Ultra
I replaced the stock fans with 2 Noctua NF-P12 Vortex-Control 120mm 1200rpm which I run at full speed. Great fans.
Stock speeds of E6600:
According to CoreTemp
Idle temps: 41c-43c
Full load: 59C-60c
Pump has 5 speed levels I run it on 3.
When I overclock to 3.2ghz/1.4v the temps go near 70C or over. Is 70C safe?
I haven't tried bleeding the loop as that involves too much time and i need to buy new tube as with my setup the only way of bleeding it is by cutting the tubes. I can't remove the bay reservoir without some cutting otherwise tube won't come out. They are the 7/16" ID variety so the fit in quite tightly.
I have been unable as of yet to take any good pics of the inside however heres the radiator. There shouldn't be any problem with where its placed?
I replaced the stock fans with 2 Noctua NF-P12 Vortex-Control 120mm 1200rpm which I run at full speed. Great fans.
Stock speeds of E6600:
According to CoreTemp
Idle temps: 41c-43c
Full load: 59C-60c
Pump has 5 speed levels I run it on 3.
When I overclock to 3.2ghz/1.4v the temps go near 70C or over. Is 70C safe?
I haven't tried bleeding the loop as that involves too much time and i need to buy new tube as with my setup the only way of bleeding it is by cutting the tubes. I can't remove the bay reservoir without some cutting otherwise tube won't come out. They are the 7/16" ID variety so the fit in quite tightly.
I have been unable as of yet to take any good pics of the inside however heres the radiator. There shouldn't be any problem with where its placed?