Economic downturn but still paying silly money.

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I've always been against paying soccer players obscene amounts of money but given the economic problems that we are all suffering at the moment, what are your thoughts on the figures quoted for the premiership players?

£151,000 a week for one player and many others who will be close to that ..... we're talking 'per week' salary here, not sponsorship deals etc, when many ordinary people will be hard pushed to get paid £500 a week, that's quite some disparity.

I cannot believe that 'we' accept these sort of figures; I'm not a communist and I do see some of the supply and demand argument but I really do find it obscene.
 
It is obscene, but as you've pointed out, it's all about supply and demand, as long as big clubs can afford these salary's nothing is going to change, unless of course a cap is introduced.
 
Just remember this is NOT just for kicking a ball around, it's all one big company.

If the company that you works for, makes £250million a year say, and you are a DIRECT cause of that happening(just like football players are for the money their clubs make) would you not want a sizable chunk of that profit being that without you and your teammates they wouldn't have made that money? I know for damn sure I would.
 
Take for example Manchester United.

Their working capital is typically in the region of £175m.

Their annual wages are ~£90m.

Why wouldn't they reward their most valuable assets with that amount of money?
 
Look how hard Chelsea have found it to try and become self sufficient. Man City look like they're trying to take it to another level.

Let the Arabs blow all their billions in England during these hard times. :D We pay for Petrol and in exchange we get these footballers. Excellent!
 
FINALLY someone else that understands this :D. Thank you.
It may be the case for one or two clubs but the majority of Prem and FL are upto thier eyeballs in debt yet continue to pay ridiculous money on wages.

I think I read that Pompey were almost £100M in the red yet are willing to pay Jermaine Pennant £50,000 p/w. I can't believe that they, as a club are making the kind of money that allows them to pay players that kind of money.
 
Does anyone know the figures for income? ie % from tv/gate receipts/marketing etc.
I'm sure that the fans of most clubs would turn up even if the club could not afford these silly wages for the 'top' players

Players are an asset but ffs! ..... £100,000+ per week! and then all the sponsorship money on top; greed, is my opinion. Am I jealous? not really, I'd like to be earning a good wage but those sort of figures are IMHO not justifiable no matter how 'talented' you are supposed to be.
 
To the 2 previous points, unfortunately you have to spend money to make money, and thats what Portsmouth are trying to do. Downscaling won't remove debt, and only make it harder to bring money in.

To the second point, It is NOT greed to ask for a slice of a MASSIVE profit coming in heavily reliant on your performances. You do big things for a big company, you get the reward no? Does Tom Cruise Deserve $20milion for making a movie? No but he gets it because the company will make a LOT of money off it and he wants a slice.

If the Players, and the backroom staff didn't get it, it would just go into the chairmans pocket and do nothing.
 
If the Players, and the backroom staff didn't get it, it would just go into the chairmans pocket and do nothing.

Or they could cut the price of tickets/Sky subs to help the working class. You can go watch Kaka in a AC Milan shirt for ~£7 as people just got sick of paying silly prices to go watch overpaid playboys and crowds dropped. The same thing will happen in england if the standard of living keeps dropping while players continue to get huge wages.
 
Owen, as with everything that costs money, the standards have been set, they would never lower the charges except for special offers now.
 
Salary Caps might not be such a bad idea, look at the USA and how the system works. If you want to become a superstar you have to excel academically aswell.

I think they have it sorted sports wise, you never see the same side winning everything aswell.

Obviously i dont think it would work due to every other country would have to have salary caps aswell to make it fair in the EC.
 
Its entertainment, next you will be saying its wrong that Madonna earned £150 million last year or Will Smith should only £1 million a movie instead of £17 million.
 
Its entertainment, next you will be saying its wrong that Madonna earned £150 million last year or Will Smith should only £1 million a movie instead of £17 million.

Its economy of scale though isnt it, Hancock on its own did $645 million worldwide.
Kaka isnt going to generate $645 million worth of turnover for city, even if they win the CL and Prem year in, year out, yet he is going to be paid £15 million a year odd if reports are to be believed.

The rules should be that you cant spend more than earn, and the club should be run out of the income it generates and not from benefactors, I've been saying this since even before Jack walker bought the title with Blackburn. Its the fairest and most equal way of competition, every club started with nothing, People rag on about united being rich and buying the best players, yes, because the club EARNED the money.
 
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While I understand where you are coming from, all that would do is enlarge the gulf between bigger teams and smaller teams. It would definetly need a lot of fine tuning.
 
I totally agree with not spending more than you /the club earns but also remember this

Portsmouth maybe £100m in the red (not as bad as Utd who are at the last estimate nearly £700m in the red) - these figures arent really relevant as long as tv deals and gate reciepts are enough to service the loans (ie a given % per year payed back to the banks) - as long as this happens and preferably the clubs earning a lot more to generate better player purchases/better stadiums etc, then the club is still a going concern and a good prospect (and previous owner/shareholders will nearly always accept a purchase if its good for the club....and if the take over is a good prospect, even with a huge debt, its probable it will move the club forward)

Players should get a very decent wage - I have no problem them being payed similar amounts to Hollywood stars (£15m a movie is quite common for top stars) which is comparable to the wage being offered for Kaka, the other thing is that in certain respects a decent actor can earn for 30+ years, most footballers have to retire early to mid thirties at the top level (with occasional players making it to around 40) with very few becoming managers or pundits etc, majority retire or do a normal job - but for those 10-15 years max why shouldnt they be payed hansomly

Im not sure about the kickbacks during nearly every transfer - it may be a "personal" skill thats being bought, but they are paid very decently Im not sure the £millions passed behind the scenes is necessary during the purchase
 
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Its economy of scale though isnt it, Hancock on its own did $645 million worldwide.
Kaka isnt going to generate $645 million worth of turnover for city, even if they win the CL and Prem year in, year out, yet he is going to be paid £15 million a year odd if reports are to be believed.

The rules should be that you cant spend more than earn, and the club should be run out of the income it generates and not from benefactors, I've been saying this since even before Jack walker bought the title with Blackburn. Its the fairest and most equal way of competition, every club started with nothing, People rag on about united being rich and buying the best players, yes, because the club EARNED the money.

THats where you're wrong, if Man City without Kaka win nothing, but with him win the CL, the League and the cups, thats 100mil in JUST the prize money, another 100mil in tv rights and ticket sales through all the various stages of all those cups, thats EVERY year aswell.

Remember also that say Kaka got 500k a week(which i don't remotely belive tbh, 250k seems more likely), but that makes the club seem serious, now to get say, Sergio Ramos in, without Kaka/Robinho, to persaude him it was worth joining they'd have to offer him 200k, but because Kaka and Robinho are their no persauding is required, he WANTS to join them and they pay him 100k a week instead.

You also need to remember, debt = turnover or income, debt is just that, debt.

if a club makes 100mil in a year through sales and merchandise, and spends 100mil in wages, thats fine, it would break even, if some stupid manager comes along and buys every player available(like redknapp at all clubs he goes to), in that instance you'd need extra cash. Sometimes its investors spending money they have, sometimes its loans, sometimes its multiple things, but mostly you'll find people spending money to make money. They think if they spend 50mil on players they'll do better, win a cup, make that money back, and from the increased position and cup winnings they think they'll sell more tickets and be able to sustain the higher wages they've given out. It all goes balls up when they spend more than they should and then they don't improve and don't increase their incoming money like they had planned to.

Several clubs are prime examples of that, Leeds spending to maintain competitive in the champs league, thinking they'd have that money every year, spunking loads on players and wages, dropping out of the league, dropping down the table and now massively overspending on wages and having gone into debt to buy.

Arsenal's debt isn't increasing, its decreasing, its managed debt and is working out great. We're making more profit AFTER the debt payments than before we took on the debt, once the debt is paid off we'll just be in even stronger a position.

LIkewise, ARsenal should have spent 10-20mil on 2-3 good players at the start of the season, it would have likely all but assured us of champs league football. Meaning spending 10-20mil now, gets us 30million more next year. Now we're looking like we could easily miss out on the champs league, so we spent nothing, but are now looking at our incoming money for next year being down 20-30million. it hurt us to not spend.
 
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