Non-Christians have no morals

[yantorsen]

I dont eat meat because I do not morally agree with it, it does not make me feel better or stop me getting into trouble.

Yes it does make you feel better, presumably if you ate meat you'd feel bad because an animal died for you. That is of course assuming that the reason for your moral against meat eating is because you disagree with killing animals you understand.

I also don't think it'd be likely that a "moral" such as that is "hard wired" into us, as it would be fairly disadvantageous in terms of survivability.

 

[MookJong]

I can only think of two reasons to have "morals" if for the sake of argument we exclude a god. Either to make yourself feel better, or because it stops you getting into trouble, including punishment, such as prison etc.

Absolute nonsense, I have no urge to hurt another human being or animal without good reason. My default setting is to live peacefully.

It is in my nature to want to be happy and see others be happy.

 

[yantorsen]

Absolute nonsense, I have no urge to hurt another human being or animal without good reason. My default setting is to live peacefully it is only when i an threatened in some way that instinct may kick in and I will do what I would otherwise consider abnormal.

It is in my nature to want to be happy and see others be happy.

You have no urge, until you are threatened by one, then it all goes out the window. It has also been drummed into you by society that killing other humans is wrong from an early age. You only want to see others happy because it is less likely to cause you stress that way and it turns makes you happy.

 

[Pilky01]

Yes it does make you feel better, presumably if you ate meat you'd feel bad because an animal died for you. That is of course assuming that the reason for your moral against meat eating is because you disagree with killing animals you understand.

I also don't think it'd be likely that a "moral" such as that is "hard wired" into us, as it would be fairly disadvantageous in terms of survivability.

Yes it would make me feel bad but the reason I don't eat meat is because of concern for the animal's well being, nothing to do with my own feelings.

 

[something daft already!!]

I can only think of two reasons to have "morals" if for the sake of argument we exclude a god. Either to make yourself feel better, or because it stops you getting into trouble, including punishment, such as prison etc.

You have no urge, until you are threatened by one, then it all goes out the window. It has also been drummed into you by society that killing other humans is wrong from an early age. You only want to see others happy because it is less likely to cause you stress that way and it turns makes you happy.

What a load of tosh. Have you never experienced empathy for anything? You sir, are a fool.

 

[yantorsen]

Yes it would make me feel bad but the reason I don't eat meat is because of concern for the animal's well being, nothing to do with my own feelings.

It is to do with your feelings, if you didn't have that bad feeling and anxiety increase when eating the meat you probably wouldn't have even thought about not eating meat.

 

[yantorsen]

What a load of tosh. Have you never experienced empathy for anything?

I have, but it can be explained by "selfish" psychology.

I know not many will agree with me, because it's not a nice thought.

 

[something daft already!!]

I have, but it can be explained by "selfish" psychology.

You may call it what you will. Empathy is my moral compass and this does not come from any kind of threat of punishment. Simply having feelings of how someone might feel if something was done to them. Knowing what is right and what is wrong to do is not something done out of selfishness, quite the opersite.

 

[Col_M]

Everyone has authority to comment on morals, it's a free country.

As for Marc Hauser, his research is highly debatable. But let's just take it as a given for now, without a divine authority, there is no good reason why anyone should "obey" your "hard wired" morals.

Yes, everyone has the right to comment but nobody has a higher authority.

All science is highly debatable, that's the whole point of it. You propose a theory with evidence and others can do the same to prove or disprove your theories. I know it's not the same for you but I prefer to see something presented with research and evidence and make my decision based on that rather than what was written in a book almost 2K years ago when the mind was much less understood.

Arguably the only reason anyone follows "morals" is to avoid punishment.

So if it wasn't for your religion and the threat of punishment in the after life you'd be less "moral" towards others? I'd hope not, as that's not saying much for your own morals really.

 

[yantorsen]

You may call it what you will. Empathy is my moral compass and this does not come from any kind of threat of punishment. Simply having feelings of how someone might feel if something was done to them. Knowing what is right and what is wrong to do is not something done out of selfishness, quite the opersite.

Well I disagree, so we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Pilky01]

It is to do with your feelings, if you didn't have that bad feeling and anxiety increase when eating the meat you probably wouldn't have even thought about not eating meat.

No you couldn't be more wrong.

 

[yantorsen]

Yes, everyone has the right to comment but nobody has a higher authority.

All science is highly debatable, that's the whole point of it. You propose a theory with evidence and others can do the same to prove or disprove your theories. I know it's not the same for you but I prefer to see something presented with research and evidence and make my decision based on that rather than what was written in a book almost 2K years ago when the mind was much less understood.

Yes I know what science is. What do you mean by "it's not the same for you"? I'm not sure what a book written 2000 years ago has to do with anything? What book are you talking about btw? I'm just talking about basic behavioural psychology.

So if it wasn't for your religion and the threat of punishment in the after life you'd be less "moral" towards others? I'd hope not, as that's not saying much for your own morals really.

I never mentioned "my religion".

 

[yantorsen]

No you couldn't be more wrong.

Well I don't believe I am wrong. I happy to agree to disagree though, I'm not too fussed.

 

[krisboats]

It is to do with your feelings, if you didn't have that bad feeling and anxiety increase when eating the meat you probably wouldn't have even thought about not eating meat.

I would say there are people who get a buzz from hurting someone or something yet choose not to as they believe it to be unfair to do so for their own personal pleasure. Acting against your own pleasure for the sake of fairness to another is not to do with your feelings but a rationalisation.

 

[yantorsen]

I would say there are people who get a buzz from hurting someone or something yet choose not to as they believe it to be unfair to do so for their own personal pleasure. Acting against your own pleasure for the sake of fairness to another is not to do with your feelings but a rationalisation.

It's a good point, but I could equally argue that they don't hurt someone because there actually afraid of getting caught/punished for it. Which yes that is a form of rationalisation, albeit selfish.

 

[MookJong]

Well I disagree, so we'll have to agree to disagree.

Read my sig, I've practised meditation and mindful thought for years, you seriously need to try it if you want to understand what lies behind your thoughts and actions.

Inner peace has nothing to do with fear of punishment or learnt behaviour.

 

[yantorsen]

Read my sig, I've practised meditation and mindful thought for years, you seriously need to try it.

I'm not sure how meditation is going to help the understanding of morals. I have given it plenty of thought, I don't need to meditate to do that. I have tried meditation, it doesn't do anything for me to be honest. Each to their own though I guess .

 

[something daft already!!]

Read my sig, I've practised meditation and mindful thought for years, you seriously need to try it if you want to understand what lies behind your thoughts and actions.

Inner peace has nothing to do with fear of punishment or learnt behaviour.

Exactly. We are all connected.

 

[LordSplodge]

Also rubbish, there are plenty of people taking up religion who have never been taught it.

/raises hand.


Nobody taught me to be a Pagan/Wiccan. It just found me one day about ten years ago.

Although I do mostly use my religion to freak the living daylights out of these hardcore Christians for ****s and giggles.

 

[yantorsen]

Inner peace has nothing to do with fear of punishment or learnt behaviour.

Yes it does, fear effects anxiety levels, which in turn is what effects "inner peace".