Non-Christians have no morals

[Sankari]

The show I've watched made it out a bit different, but I meant by pick and choose, he picked from all the existing texts what to include, not that he wrote the whole thing, which is what I think your getting at

Well no, that's not what I'm getting at. Constantine had no involvement in the composition of the New Testament. None whatsoever.

Various people living in Constantine's era made up their own minds about which books should be included in the New Testament, and drew up canonical lists accordingly. They arrived at these lists by their own methods, employing standard exegetical and critical techniques. One of these was Bishop Athanasius, whose list disagreed with other lists composed around the same era.

Later, Jerome translated the entire Bible into Latin and drew up his own list of New Testament books (which agreed with the list composed by Athanasius). Some books took a long time to be accepted by the church; most notably the 2nd and 3rd Epistles of John, and the Apocalypse.

Jerome himself wrote that he had doubted the authenticity of these books, but ultimately concluded that they were indeed inpired by God.

 

[Septh]

Well no, that's not what I'm getting at. Constantine had no involvement in the composition of the New Testament. None whatsoever.

Various people living in Constantine's era made up their own minds about which books should be included in the New Testament, and drew up canonical lists accordingly. They arrived at these lists by their own methods, employing standard exegetical and critical techniques. One of these was Bishop Athanasius, whose list disagreed with other lists composed around the same era.

Later, Jerome translated the entire Bible into Latin and drew up his own list of New Testament books (which agreed with the list composed by Athanasius). Some books took a long time to be accepted by the church; most notably the 2nd and 3rd Epistles of John, and the Apocalypse.

Jerome himself wrote that he had doubted the authenticity of these books, but ultimately concluded that they were indeed inpired by God.

The show I watched made it out differently, I bow down to your superior knowledge

 

[rypt]

Because religious people have so many morals yes?

Look through history, we have the Crusades where many people were basically killed by the "Christian" soldiers for nothing. Then more recently we have the "war crimes" commited by Bush and Blair, both Christian.

Or look at the bible, something like Noah's flood is a good example of god having no morals himself and killing lots of people.

 

[Sankari]

The show I watched made it out differently, I bow down to your superior knowledge

These sorts of shows rarely give the proper details.

I studied early church history at university.

 

[Sankari]

Then more recently we have the "war crimes" commited by Bush and Blair, both Christian.

Aided by many people who were not Christian.

 

[Septh]

These sorts of shows rarely give the proper details.

I studied early church history at university.

Bet that was an interesting course to do! Better than my comp sci one anyway

Aided by many people who were not Christian.

Thats always kinda the point in modern times, these types of wars are not fought by people who are actually involved in the religion, which annoys me a lot!

 

[RDM]

Thats always kinda the point in modern times, these types of wars are not fought by people who are actually involved in the religion, which annoys me a lot!

Pretty much the only people who really think that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are religous in nature is the extremists and fundamentalists.

 

[rypt]

Aided by many people who were not Christian.

End of the day the orders for invasion came from the above two, they also appointed the people who were in charge of the whole mess.

 

[ChrisJSY]

Interestingly hes pretty racist too.

Oh, I see, the moral standing of someone who's a racist christian, aha.
Welcome Brothers, to our faith. But not you odd coloured people.
I think he's up his own **** to be honest

 

[neoboy]

I'm Christian and have no morals, where is my cookie?

 

[Sankari]

End of the day the orders for invasion came from the above two, they also appointed the people who were in charge of the whole mess.

How is their religion relevant to any of this?

 

[Gilly]

Thats always kinda the point in modern times, these types of wars are not fought by people who are actually involved in the religion, which annoys me a lot!

Why does that annoy you?

GW Bush is United Methodist. Tony Blair is Roman Catholic. How are they not 'involved in the religion'? What is the relevance of it?

 

[rypt]

How is their religion relevant to any of this?

Because they were quite happy to order the invasion of Iraq where over 90,000 civilians have been killed now, many at the hands of the American forces in Fellujah and plenty more by militia groups who have been given money and weapons by the US.
Bush is also the man responsible for what is going on in Guantanamo Bay, and what occured in Abu Ghraib - afterall he is the "commander in chief", if he did not approve of what was going on in Guitmo he could have easily closed it down ... as Obama is doing.
Bush is also reponsible for all the deaths in Gaza at the moment as it is the USA that is providing the weapons for Israel (and I actually happen to agree that Israel has the right to fight vs Hamas; but I disagree with the civilian deaths).

Need I go on?
Just because they did not personally pull the trigger does not make them any less guilty. Someone with "morals" would not let the above happen.

 

[Septh]

Because they were quite happy to order the invasion of Iraq where over 90,000 civilians have been killed now, many at the hands of the American forces in Fellujah and plenty more by militia groups who have been given money and weapons by the US.
Bush is also the man responsible for what is going on in Guantanamo Bay, and what occured in Abu Ghraib - afterall he is the "commander in chief", if he did not approve of what was going on in Guitmo he could have easily closed it down ... as Obama is doing.
Bush is also reponsible for all the deaths in Gaza at the moment as it is the USA that is providing the weapons for Israel (and I actually happen to agree that Israel has the right to fight vs Hamas; but I disagree with the civilian deaths).

Need I go on?
Just because they did not personally pull the trigger does not make them any less guilty. Someone with "morals" would not let the above happen.

Technically someone with the same morals as you wouldn't let that happen

 

[rypt]

Technically someone with the same morals as you wouldn't let that happen

So basically what we've concluded is that Religious people are War mongers, and Atheists are not.

 

[Sankari]

Because they were quite happy to order the invasion of Iraq where over 90,000 civilians have been killed now, many at the hands of the American forces in Fellujah and plenty more by militia groups who have been given money and weapons by the US.

Bush is also the man responsible for what is going on in Guantanamo Bay, and what occured in Abu Ghraib - afterall he is the "commander in chief", if he did not approve of what was going on in Guitmo he could have easily closed it down ... as Obama is doing.
Bush is also reponsible for all the deaths in Gaza at the moment as it is the USA that is providing the weapons for Israel (and I actually happen to agree that Israel has the right to fight vs Hamas; but I disagree with the civilian deaths).

Need I go on?

Just because they did not personally pull the trigger does not make them any less guilty. Someone with "morals" would not let the above happen.

I agree that everything Bush & Blair have done is contrary to their self-professed faith. However, it is possible for someone with morals to convince themselves that an action they are taking is imbued with a higher moral purpose, no matter how repugnant it may seem to be. I still don't see how their religion comes into this.

I am unware of any "militia groups who have been given money and weapons by the US" in Iraq (can you name any such groups?)

The militia groups in Iraq are currently fighting against the Americans, and receive their weapons from other countries in the region. They are also responsible for the overwhelming majority of civilian deaths.

 

[Gilly]

Because they were quite happy to order the invasion of Iraq where over 90,000 civilians have been killed now, many at the hands of the American forces in Fellujah and plenty more by militia groups who have been given money and weapons by the US.
Bush is also the man responsible for what is going on in Guantanamo Bay, and what occured in Abu Ghraib - afterall he is the "commander in chief", if he did not approve of what was going on in Guitmo he could have easily closed it down ... as Obama is doing.
Bush is also reponsible for all the deaths in Gaza at the moment as it is the USA that is providing the weapons for Israel (and I actually happen to agree that Israel has the right to fight vs Hamas; but I disagree with the civilian deaths).

Need I go on?
Just because they did not personally pull the trigger does not make them any less guilty. Someone with "morals" would not let the above happen.

None of that has anything to do with religion.

 

[Abraham]

I only believe in what I see

you dont believe in electricity, sound or heat then?

 

[Gilly]

...or wind.

 

[Sankari]

So basically what we've concluded is that Religious people are War mongers, and Atheists are not.

Yes, because atheists have never killed anyone, whether during peacetime or war.

Just ask Stalin!