Obama hysteria

[krooton]

After brunch?

It's an unanswerable question, it's just, democracy isn't all that. You've people not voting (thus without a voice), people voting with their hearts and not their head (Obama as a Blackman, Labour as "I've always voted Labour"). Not to mention the fact people will vote for unenforceable policies that seem better if given a chance(lower taxes for better service). The short of it is: people are fickle (and sometimes stupid).

“The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.” Churchill.

My brother had an interesting idea on Democracy v2.0

As you said, everyone has equal vote on everything at the moment.

This doesn't really sit to great, as surely people with more knowledge/experience/understanding of certain things should have a greater say in them.

Why should the vote of an Economics major on the topic of Economic be the same as Jimmy the street sweeper?

How about having voting points, giving everyone a say on everything, but people who know more about things more votes for that topic?

I am just glossing over his idea, but that's the general feel of it.

 

[Sankari]

your kidding right?

anyway, Henry Kissinger has let us in on some Obama plans for ‘change’, Kissinger wrote on the 20 Jan 2009:

I don't see anything about Obama here. Kissinger does not say that this is what Obama is planning. Kissinger is giving us his own opinion; he is telling us what he thinks the world needs, and what he thinks Obama should do.

read what you will into what Kissinger has said, but after everything i have read i am bracing my self for a rough 4 years.

I thought you said there wasn't going to be any change. Now you're saying there is?

 

[platypus]

How about having voting points, giving everyone a say on everything, but people who know more about things more votes for that topic?

A good idea in principal, but a nightmare to ever consider setting up.

 

[Keltik THC]

I don't see anything about Obama here. Kissinger does not say that this is what Obama is planning. Kissinger is giving us his own opinion; he is telling us what he thinks the world needs, and what he thinks Obama should do.

if you cehck the article Kissinger wrote he is saying what he thinks Obama will bring, and as a student of politics i know that what Kissinger knows and says holds a lot of weight, hes not just some online blogger offering his 2 cents.. as i said in my post, it is open to intepretation but im just assuming the worst of Obama after looking into his voting history and his socialist beliefs coupled with what the big guys like Kissinger and Zbrinski are saying... iignore the media sicophants i say, they are bought and paid for.

I thought you said there wasn't going to be any change. Now you're saying there is?

no, your mis-understanding me... their will be a change althought it wont be the change that the media has brainwashed the masses to believe, people believe that Obama is going to change the status-quo in Washington D.C., that hes going to stand up for peoples rights, that hes going to save the world for economic apocalypse and its all going to be rainbows and strawberry lemonade now that Bush has gone... I believe he will bring change but it will be of the Socialist type, he wont save us from economic disaster as its basically impossible now all they are doing with these bail outs is delaying the inevitable and infact making the collapse a lot worse in the long run... its akin to pumping a your tire full of air when you know theirs a puncture, you might get another 100 metres down the road but you have masive potential to damage your car in the long run....but i digress, so, basically i believe their will be change, but not good change, imagine what Bush did was the international elites plan being executed in 2nd gear, we are about to enter the 3rd and possibly the 4th... as i say, i believe that we will look back on Bushes years as the good ol days compared to whats in store for us politically, economically and socially... we should all be prepared for a drop in living standards... I mean take what BHO was saying last year and compare it to what he is implementing now, last year he said he would get rid of illegal wire taps amongst other things, now he is in power the word is basically being put out that he isnt going to rescind hardly any of the Cheney-Bush executive orders... which means illegal wire tapping shall continue.

I hope im wrong, i really do.. and maybe i am too cynical when it comes to these puppet politicians that most people think run the show but i just see very hard times ahead, i really do.

 

[semi-pro waster]

The prejudice, ignorance, speculation and most of all guess-work in this thread is utterly ridiculous.

Judge the man by his actions alone.

I demand you retract that statement, good golly you're in GD, just think of what you're saying, we can't have a reasoned approach to such things.

I'm perfectly willing to give Obama the time to prove himself but I'll wait until he has had enough time to actually do something before lauding him as the saviour of America. Granted it is difficult now to see how it could slip that much further in the World's estimation but I'd prefer to see what he does rather than what he says (his oratory is quite special but it doesn't change anything much in and of itself).

How about having voting points, giving everyone a say on everything, but people who know more about things more votes for that topic?

I am just glossing over his idea, but that's the general feel of it.

As platypus says it would be unworkable, although a meritocracy style sounds good on the surface there are too many factors that mean it could never be administered fairly. Who decides what each persons vote is worth on any given issue? What if the 'expert' allotting points disagrees with someone elses perfectly valid standpoint, can we trust them to be impartial? Is (possibly incorrect conventional) knowledge somehow better than a lucky guess when selecting the correct policy? We've all got to live in the same World so ideally we should all be educated sufficiently to make informed decisions about it, in the absence of that we all have an equal say in it because our votes are worth the same.

 

[meghatronic]

We've all got to live in the same World so ideally we should all be educated sufficiently to make informed decisions about it, in the absence of that we all have an equal say in it because our votes are worth the same.

That is even more of an impossibility than meritocracy....

 

[Sankari]

if you cehck the article Kissinger wrote he is saying what he thinks Obama will bring

No he's not. He doesn't even mention Obama's name. He says that a new presidency brings new opportunities, and he says what he thinks should be done. Can you show me just one place where he says this is what he thinks Obama will bring?

Zbrinski

Who?

no, your mis-understanding me... their will be a change althought it wont be the change that the media has brainwashed the masses to believe, people believe that Obama is going to change the status-quo in Washington D.C., that hes going to stand up for peoples rights, that hes going to save the world for economic apocalypse and its all going to be rainbows and strawberry lemonade now that Bush has gone... I believe he will bring change but it will be of the Socialist type, he wont save us from economic disaster as its basically impossible now all they are doing with these bail outs is delaying the inevitable and infact making the collapse a lot worse in the long run... its akin to pumping a your tire full of air when you know theirs a puncture, you might get another 100 metres down the road but you have masive potential to damage your car in the long run....but i digress, so, basically i believe their will be change, but not good change, imagine what Bush did was the international elites plan being executed in 2nd gear, we are about to enter the 3rd and possibly the 4th... as i say, i believe that we will look back on Bushes years as the good ol days compared to whats in store for us politically, economically and socially... we should all be prepared for a drop in living standards... I mean take what BHO was saying last year and compare it to what he is implementing now, last year he said he would get rid of illegal wire taps amongst other things, now he is in power the word is basically being put out that he isnt going to rescind hardly any of the Cheney-Bush executive orders... which means illegal wire tapping shall continue.

I hope im wrong, i really do.. and maybe i am too cynical when it comes to these puppet politicians that most people think run the show but i just see very hard times ahead, i really do.

OK, whatever.

Why should I be prepared for a drop in living standards? Last time I checked, Obama was president of the USA, not the UK.

 

[Keltik THC]

No he's not. He doesn't even mention Obama's name. He says that a new presidency brings new opportunities, and he says what he thinks should be done. Can you show me just one place where he says this is what he thinks Obama will bring?

no time just now, bout to finish my lunch break but i will check the article and get back to you... im 100% sure that Kissinger was writing about what he expects from the new Administration.

No Who?

if you dont know who Zbigniew Zbrinski then im probably wasting my time, as i said he is the man behind Obama and infact behind a lot of the problems we have today, hes a polish born man who is heavily involved in US politics, hes the man who radicilised the Mujahadean against the Russians to name but one of his many policies, He also destests the Russians and according to his books he looks forward to playing the world off against them in the future, and now hes one of Obamas puppet masters we will see his agendas continued.. go and check him out, hes the closest thing to a real life bond villain in my opinion, a very horrible person.

Why should I be prepared for a drop in living standards? Last time I checked, Obama was president of the USA, not the UK.

have you heard of globalisation? have you heard of Carbon Taxes? just wait my freind, you will understand what i mean soon enough... as i keep saying i hope im wrong, but everything BHO has done thus far only concretes my opinion... have you seen who hes appointed as his new 'climate change tsar'? go and check her out, you, again will be very suprised.

 

[RDM]

Who?

He might mean Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski, but I can't find any pictures of him stroking a cat...

 

[Sankari]

no time just now, bout to finish my lunch break but i will check the article and get back to you... im 100% sure that Kissinger was writing about what he expects from the new Administration.

You do that, sonny. And come back with some proof.

if you dont know who Zbigniew Zbrinski then im probably wasting my time, as i said he is the man behind Obama and infact behind a lot of the problems we have today, hes a polish born man who is heavily involved in US politics, hes the man who radicilised the Mujahadean against the Russians to name but one of his many policies, He also destests the Russians and according to his books he looks forward to playing the world off against them in the future, and now hes one of Obamas puppet masters we will see his agendas continued.. go and check him out, hes the closest thing to a real life bond villain in my opinion, a very horrible person.

No Wikipedia link? No actual, factual background on this alleged villain? How do I know you're not just making it all up?

have you heard of globalisation? have you heard of Carbon Taxes? just wait my freind, you will understand what i mean soon enough... as i keep saying i hope im wrong, but everything BHO has done thus far only concretes my opinion... have you seen who hes appointed as his new 'climate change tsar'? go and check her out, you, again will be very suprised.

Globalisation isn't going to reduce my standard of living; you should know by now that globalisation favours First World Western nations at the expense of Third World nations. Carbon taxes in the USA mean absolutely nothing to me whatsoever, since I don't live in the USA and Obama does not write the rules or set the laws for my country of residence.

 

[rsatd]

No Wikipedia link? No actual, factual background on this alleged villain? How do I know you're not just making it all up?

Think he means this guy?

 

[Keltik THC]

You do that, sonny. And come back with some proof.



No Wikipedia link? No actual, factual background on this alleged villain? How do I know you're not just making it all up?

lol, im at work man.. if you dont know who Zbrinski is nor do you want to find out who he is off your own back then thats your perogative... i suggest you go over to Amazon and buy his book 'the grand chessboard' when he boasts about his past accolades as advisor to previous administrations, and i did post one bit of factual background about his involvement in the Russian/Afghan conflict....

Globalisation isn't going to reduce my standard of living; you should know by now that globalisation favours First World Western nations at the expense of Third World nations. Carbon taxes in the USA mean absolutely nothing to me whatsoever, since I don't live in the USA and Obama does not write the rules or set the laws for my country of residence.

Globalisation as an idealogy will not effect your standard of living, you said how can Obama effect you and i said because of Globalisation.. when the US begins the carbon tax so will we, so will france so will Australia that is how the by-products of globalisation can effect you. Globalisation does favour westen nations at the moment but i firmly believe that this will change, with the advent of the carbon taxes our living standards will defintly be taken down a peg or two, as the developing nations have already said they will not institute such regulations, so think about it, if a company has to pay punitive taxes for manufacturing goods in the UK but not in China or India what do you think they will do? they will just move over to the devloping nation. The most ironic or moronic part of this agenda is that when the companies do go over to devoping nations research has shown their emissions will increase to a larger number than if they were based in the US or UK as the US and UK have agencies like the EPA that are all over companies and ensuring stict standards where as in China companies get away with pumping everything into local rivers.

But my point is, aside from BHO, through stagnation of the economy and inflation of our currency, stag-flation as its known our living standards will drop, they have already started falling just on the value of the pound alone... its just you probably havent noticed it yet..

and dont be so niave to think that when the US implement carbon taxes that we will be exempt, this is globalisation, the world government, again look at Kissingers comments this is exactly what hes talking about, their will be no such thing as a 'regional' solution.

 

[Keltik THC]

He might mean Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski, but I can't find any pictures of him stroking a cat...

sorry, i always fail at spelling the mans name... and my comparison to a Bond villian wasnt literal... its just the fact that hes the man pulling strings behind the scenes that not many people are aware of and he has very unscrupulous agendas according to what he was written in his own books, and he speaks with an eastern european accent as the bond villians do....

 

[Sankari]

Globalisation as an idealogy will not effect your standard of living, you said how can Obama effect you and i said because of Globalisation.. when the US begins the carbon tax so will we, so will france so will Australia that is how the by-products of globalisation can effect you.

That's is government policy, not globalisation. You are conflating two separate issues.

Globalisation does favour westen nations at the moment but i firmly believe that this will change, with the advent of the carbon taxes our living standards will defintly be taken down a peg or two, as the developing nations have already said they will not institute such regulations, so think about it, if a company has to pay punitive taxes for manufacturing goods in the UK but not in China or India what do you think they will do? they will just move over to the devloping nation. The most ironic or moronic part of this agenda is that when the companies do go over to devoping nations research has shown their emissions will increase to a larger number than if they were based in the US or UK as the US and UK have agencies like the EPA that are all over companies and ensuring stict standards where as in China companies get away with pumping everything into local rivers.

You've just proved my point again. If all the low paid workers are in China, etc. that means the highly paid workers are in the West. So hey presto - we continue to benefit from globalisation!

But my point is, aside from BHO, through stagnation of the economy and inflation of our currency, stag-flation as its known our living standards will drop, they have already started falling just on the value of the pound alone... its just you probably havent noticed it yet..

Like I give a **** about the pound? I'm heading home to Australia in about 6 mohths.

and dont be so niave to think that when the US implement carbon taxes that we will be exempt, this is globalisation, the world government, again look at Kissingers comments this is exactly what hes talking about, their will be no such thing as a 'regional' solution.

Globalisation is about trade and industry, not "world government". And no, that's not what Kissinger is talking about. Read him properly.

 

[mattheman]

My brother had an interesting idea on Democracy v2.0

As you said, everyone has equal vote on everything at the moment.

This doesn't really sit to great, as surely people with more knowledge/experience/understanding of certain things should have a greater say in them.

Why should the vote of an Economics major on the topic of Economic be the same as Jimmy the street sweeper?

How about having voting points, giving everyone a say on everything, but people who know more about things more votes for that topic?

I am just glossing over his idea, but that's the general feel of it.

to stop abuse

 

[mattheman]

That's is government policy, not globalisation. You are conflating two separate issues.



You've just proved my point again. If all the low paid workers are in China, etc. that means the highly paid workers are in the West. So hey presto - we continue to benefit from globalisation!



Like I give a **** about the pound? I'm heading home to Australia in about 6 mohths.


Globalisation is about trade and industry, not "world government". And no, that's not what Kissinger is talking about. Read him properly.

well you going to aus, it going to be tuff out there.

 

[Kell_ee001]

Keltik THC, you better start behaving yourself.

 

[Chimerical]

Putting Keltik THC on your ignore list makes threads so much shorter